Mangosteen, it cures Cancer!!! or does it?

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Hello Skeptic community! I had a guy drop this amazing new product by me today and asked me for my thoughts. He gave me the web address and asked me to check it out. Here is the address: www dot mangosteenexperiences dot com. I had to post the address this way because it wouldn't let me post it as a link. Sorry.

Now, if you haven't checked out the web site yet, I will give you a break down. A rare fruit from Tailand has been discovered by a westerner and has been fully checked out in an un-bias study by top professionals. It seems that this fruit pretty much cures Cancer.....according to the web site that is. They won't come right out and say it in those exact words, but that is the crystal clear message that they are sending out. Oh, except for that little tiny disclaimer at the very bottom of the page that says, in the same round-about way, that it has not been approved by the FDA and that it will not cure anything.

Do you guys and gals have a take on this? Has anyone ever heard of this stuff yet besides through this post? I would be interested to hear some of you guys' opinions on this.

Cheers, Mike
 
Sloan-Kettering has a list of studies done dating back to 1995, and their summary ("Doesn't work") dates from 2004.

http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/11571.cfm?RecordID=721&tab=HC

Not new, IOW.

It's important to note that the ungrammatical, cluttered, and boldly woo website Mangosteenexperiences should not be confused with the very slick and well-constructed http://www.mangosteenexperience.com/ which is actually a Multi-Level Marketing program, like Amway, and which makes no claims for cancer-fighting properties that I can see.
 
phildonnia said:
Not rare, nor unknown to westerners. It has the texture of a banana and the flavor of an orange. Quite delicious really.
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But..as unappealing to cancerous growths as mothballs are to squirrels in the attic? Who knows. There might be SOMETHING out there that will be discovered like this, one day.
 
Iamme said:
But..as unappealing to cancerous growths as mothballs are to squirrels in the attic? Who knows. There might be SOMETHING out there that will be discovered like this, one day.
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Maybe so, but it is incredibly difficult to listen to someone telling you that drinking Noni juice cures cancer, while watching someone you love die of it. Especially when you know it is all a bunch of BS and that if it actually worked, doctors would be using it, and that the person is simply trying to fool you into giving them scads of money.

I should add, it is incredibly difficult to listen to someone say that drinking Noni juice cures cancer, without punching their lights out.
 
Amapola said:
Maybe so, but it is incredibly difficult to listen to someone telling you that drinking Noni juice cures cancer, while watching someone you love die of it. Especially when you know it is all a bunch of BS and that if it actually worked, doctors would be using it, and that the person is simply trying to fool you into giving them scads of money.

I should add, it is incredibly difficult to listen to someone say that drinking Noni juice cures cancer, without punching their lights out.
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My GOD you scared me. I first read your post fast and thought you meant dying from Noni juice. My SISTER is a Noni juice fanatic. :)

I do agree with what you are saying. And to think of a the gullible people out there that helped send Kevin Trudeau's book to #1 on the New York Times best sellers list about a month ago. (oops..I was one of them.)
 
modern-day elixir

Update: The guy who gave me the web address for this was just trying to convince me that this stuff is legit and dropped the name Kevin Trudeau like he is a respected scientist or something and by the mere dropping of his name I would HAVE to believe him. I told him that if this scam artist is involved with it, I don't think I need to hear anymore about it. Thanks but no thanks. Another example of "If it's too good to be true......" You know how that phrase ends.

Cheers, Mike
 
Kevin Trudeau???

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(Not laughing at you, of course, amazing01.)

I suggest you do a search in this forum, as well as in Randi's commentary, on Trudeau. That should provide you with both plenty and lots of reading material. ;)
 
I have done a little bit of research on Trudeau, he seems to hide behind his money while he goes on his merry way selling his bull$hit. What a piece of work this guy is......he is right up there with Uri Gellar.

Cheers, Mike

P.S. Maybe I will do a little more reading on this pin-head to pass the time. Cheers!
 
amazing01 said:
I have done a little bit of research on Trudeau, he seems to hide behind his money while he goes on his merry way selling his bull$hit. What a piece of work this guy is......he is right up there with Uri Gellar.
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I'd say he's even worse - at least Geller has never made any claims that he can cure serious diseases (to my knowledge), while Trudeau has actively said things that make you more likely to die e.g. "don't wear sunscreen because it gives you cancer".

Geller is a annoying buffoon, but Trudeau is pure evil.
 
drfrank said:
I'd say he's even worse - at least Geller has never made any claims that he can cure serious diseases (to my knowledge), while Trudeau has actively said things that make you more likely to die e.g. "don't wear sunscreen because it gives you cancer".

Geller is a annoying buffoon, but Trudeau is pure evil.
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Unfortunately, Geller has been into psychic healing for decades. He published a book a few years ago that came with a healing crystal that he would recharge remotely for a fee. (Was this Mind Medicine?)

See: http://www.uri-geller.com/healing.htm
 
I checked Robert Schery's "Plants for Man" (1972 ed.), a wonderful book that has long been the standard text in college level Economic Botany courses. It has a photo and a lengthy paragraph on the mangosteen, Garcinia mangostana, including "It has long been termed the 'queen of tropical fruits', but its establishment in the New World has met with little success because of ecological difficulties...The species is extremely susceptible to cold, and even grafts on hardy stock have little chance of surviving in the United States." (p.576). So that may be why it is not so well known. There are a lot of these difficult fruits that are familiar but which you will never find in your local supermarket for similar reasons; the one I would love to try is the durian. The text makes no mention of the medicinal properties of the mangosteen, but that would be expected, I suppose, given the publication date and the context of the paragraph.

No doubt the claims for the curative powers of the mangosteen are vastly overstated to perhaps the point of deliberate fraud, but nevertheless plants have throughout history been the source of effective medicinals to treat all kinds of ailments, initially as folk remedies found by trial and error, later as highly refined or chemically altered medications. (Think aspirin for starters.) Schery devotes a whole chapter to the subject of Biodynamic Plants. There may be indeed some specific compound(s) in mangosteen that have some anticancer activity, but it would have to be isolated and subjected to clinical trials before I would accept it.

Noel Vietmeyer is one of the better known botanical explorers who have traveled throughout the world in search of useful plant material. Some years ago a plant was found to have an extract clinically shown to be useful in treating gout, the first of its kind. The larger pharmaceutical companies apparently have research programs that involve collecting all sorts of wild plant material in search of novel substances, and screening them for useful medicinal properties. Some Third World countries have tried to use their natural resources as a source of funding by collecting a fee from the drug companies that market succcessful products from plant materials collected within their borders.

So I think it would be prudent to be skeptical of any claims, but I would not necessarily dismiss them out of hand either. Just don't spend more than you can afford for the product, and don't have unreasonable expectations for its efficacy. True of anything, really.
 
I looked at the website briefly. Mostly testimonials as expected. The claim about it containing more antioxidants than any other fruit may well be true, meaning it might have some nutritional/health benefit toward cancer prevention. But so what? One would think that in order to gain such a benefit the fruit would have to be incorporated into one's regular diet for a few years at least. The idea that someone who already has cancer is suddently cured after eating this stuff for only a few weeks is ridiculous. Probably most of these people were undergoing conventional treatments for their cancer at the same time, but of course we know what gets the credit.
 
amazing01 said:
Hello Skeptic community!
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Mike: let me give you a better answer to your quesiton. If someone finds evidence that is even suggestive that something cures cancer, you will be able to read about it the next day at cnn.com. I find that cnn.com fills my cancer-cure-information needs.

Hope this helps!
 
strathmeyer said:
Mike: let me give you a better answer to your quesiton. If someone finds evidence that is even suggestive that something cures cancer, you will be able to read about it the next day at cnn.com. I find that cnn.com fills my cancer-cure-information needs.

Hope this helps!
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Remember when Viagra came out? It was front page news on every tv and radio station constantly. If someone really does come up with a one shot cancer cure you will not be able to avoid hearing about it.

You will not have to get it from the local pizza delivery driver, at least that's who sells Noni Juice in my neighberhood.
 
amazing01 said:
Do you guys and gals have a take on this? Has anyone ever heard of this stuff yet besides through this post? I would be interested to hear some of you guys' opinions on this.
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Interestingly, Mangosteen is currently Quackwatch’s ‘Herb of the Month’. It’s listed under ‘Garcinia’ (its scientific name being ‘Garcinia mangostana’).

Apparently there’s insufficient reliable information available about the effectiveness of it.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/hm.html
 
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