Looking for info on Esther Hicks (aka Abraham)

[kyra1985]

I’m writing a blog on the alleged channeler Esther Hicks. I have found some great audio, video, and transcript bits that work against her claim of channeling, but I’m trying to compile more information as evidence of her and her husband’s deception. The blog is primarily geared to those who are either looking for information on the Hicks’ before they get involved in their work, or those who are coming out of it and want to warn others. I am also looking for people's negative experiences with their work.

If anyone has any more information that could help me, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,

K

 

[Apology]

Well, if you haven't already, you might want to take a look at the information that's available on rickross.com about Esther Hicks and her husband Jerry:

Linky

Seems to be quite a bit there.

Edit: I see you have been there anyway...

 

[kyra1985]

Yeah. I was just really bothered by the info that was on rickross, cause a lot of it I wasn't able to verify and some of it even seemed to be made up or to have been copied as fact from other discussion forums.

But I appreciate your reply.

K

 

[ExMinister]

Hi Kyra,

A few years ago I went searching for skeptical material on Esther and Jerry Hicks. I found very little, though I did come across an article that told the story of a few people who blamed their failed marriages on the Hicks' philosophy, which apparently encourages people to leave partners who might be negative or otherwise slowing them down spiritually.

That same article also included information on their background, which I believe for Jerry was in sales in Southern California (Amway?), and as I recall, they were married to other people when they first met.

Otherwise, I came up fairly empty.

It's a worthwhile project, and I wish you luck. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

It's been so long, I don't even recall where I found that article.

I hope you will post a link to your blog here for others who are searching, once its up and running.

The information you already have against their channeling claims sounds fascinating.

ExM

 

[kyra1985]

Hey exminister,

Thanks for the info. I think that so little being available about the Hicks sends up more red flags than if they had a lot written about them. They rarely do interviews, and when they have done them with people that aren't their followers, they don't like prodding into their past. This of course, is justified within their teachings.

Right now, my blog is mostly slip-ups, errors within their material. For instance, I talk about their 1989 predictions of massive, global disaster that haven't come true, and about their calling John Edward a "superb reader of energy" when he is clearly a bad cold reader who's show is edited to make him look like he has more hits than he does. I have links to moments where they allegedly are talking to someone's deceased loved one, where these entities that are "All-knowing" and "don't have language" are saying things like your wife is telling is something that "sounds like 'Buck up." I also have a woman's story of her mother's negative experiences with the Hicks'.

What I'm reaching for are more stories, like the ones you talk about with people blaming their failed marriages on the Hicks'. Also, if anyone has stumbled across a audio clip or transcript where they mess up, which there are several bits that I have come across. For instance, they are really bad at anticipating what people are about to say, and they'll try to interrupt. In one instance, they think a woman is going to talk about her daughter, only to find out she was going to say her dog.

Anyway, this lack of info heightens my suspicions.

I'll post a link when I get a few more bits up.

Thanks again for the response,

K

 

[ExMinister]

the article that exminister "forgot about" isn't even a story, it's a crock of ****, and reaching out for more ****** liquid posts on forums such as this is a runny mess that no amount of wiping will ever clean up (just imagine how messed up this dudes ability to critically think is... he was a minister... just because he quit doesn't mean the repetitive drilling of his doctrine are all of a sudden "gone" because he is no longer a minister... there are countless layers of NLP techniques used to "teach" ministers how to regurgitate the curriculum, which linger and narrow any ability to find new meaning (which is what Esther and Jerry Hicks teach when they publish Abraham's awesome and amazing wisdom)

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Edited re: moderated content in quote

I'll take your statements one by one. I actually didn't "forget about" the article; I have no idea where I found it. It really isn't the same thing. It's been a few years.

The stories about couples whose lives were adversely affected by groups of Abraham followers who encouraged them to split rather than stay with someone with "negative energy" made a strong negative impression me. That is not to say that Jerry or Esther Hicks said this themselves. These people seemed to believe that the Abraham philosophy encouraged this. Perhaps they misinterpreted what was actually said.

I am not a he, I'm a she. At any rate, ironically, to me "this dude's critical thinking" was messed up during the years that I believed in people like Jerry and Esther Hicks, as I once did. You may not see it that way, of course. I was a minister for Sylvia Browne for a year, sad to say, but that was a small part of my New Age past. I believed in a great deal of New Age thought, was a big fan of Louise Hay, Emmet Fox, Joel Goldsmith, Edgar Cayce and others.

I studied NLP, too, and as a minister I can definitively say that I experienced no NLP techniques to regurgitate anything, nor anything that could linger and interfere with Abraham's awesome and amazing wisdom, except possibly a bit of critical thinking, which, again, came only much later.

Abraham-Hicks does not specialize in predictions... they are merely a higher vibrating entity that we can draw information from and use it or not, depending on if we are looking for reasons for it to work, or not work...it's about practical application of serious smarts really... not making predictions... PS - notice the "slip up mess up error" in your grammar when you said "a audio clip"... make sure you cut them just as much slack for slipupmessuperrors...it's not perfection... it's just a higher vibration (than you are willing to adhere to)

Evidence for this, please?

(snip)

I went from scraping by to amazing abundance, a career as an entertainer that has attracted me massive opportunities (this past year I was booked to open for Deadmau5, Steve Aoki, Wolfgang Gartner - and I also manifested a residency with Ministry Of Sound, by application of Abraham-Hicks teachings, as opposed to the "action based" and limited world view that I applied in previous years which had me almost give up my music career).

(snip)

I will take you at your word that all of this success has actually happened in your life.

That said, do you have evidence that this success would not have eventually come to you anyway, regardless of your belief in Abraham's wisdom?

I suggest it might be possible that your success was due to a change in your confidence level, in your expectations and beliefs about what was possible for you. Just something to consider.

I believe, in my humble opinion, that Abraham is a money-making scam, and therefore I think what Kyra is trying to do is a good thing.

As far as I can tell, Abraham does not often make predictions. If that is true, it would be very difficult to test them for accuracy in any sort of meaningful or objective way. The anecdotal stories of fans are, of course, impossible to prove, as there is always the confounding factor that things could very well have worked out the way they did anyway.

At any rate, best wishes.

 

[ExMinister]

Originally Posted by ExMinister
Hi Kyra,

A few years ago I went searching for skeptical material on Esther and Jerry Hicks. I found very little...
You found nothing that would stand the code of this forum

Yes, that is why I didn't post it here.

...Otherwise, I came up fairly empty...
Of course you did

Yes. I believe there is a need for a more critical look at the Hicks.

...Sorry I couldn't be of more help...
you are helping Esther Hicks' side of the issue, this is for sure

It's been so long, I don't even recall where I found that article.
if you can't locate it with Google and key phrases, then you are in no position to say you are capable of research, as you do not recall enough about the article, never mind it's whereabouts, to be of any honest use with your information... a stab in the dark and you stabbed your own team

Being unable to locate an article I happened to find several years ago is obviously not a reflection on whether or not I am capable of research. I understand that you are exaggerating and speaking a bit emotionally here to defend someone you seem to feel very strongly about.

Yes, the information is of little use if I can't find it.

The information you already have against their channeling claims sounds fascinating.
she has less than zero, all she has is a mission and a mound of nothing, hearsay and regurgitated (and outdated) skepticism

ExM

Whether this is the case, I don't know. I don't think she has posted all that she has here on this forum.

 

[kyra1985]

Vszero- Oh my. For someone who seems to be siding with Abraham, you are sure don't seem the type. If your law of attraction is correct, you need to be working on focus wheels and wouldn’t it be nice if games to be getting people like Kyra out of your vibration. Not fussing away on discussion boards. Abraham never encourages people to argue about their work. In fact, they would that we are on different vibrations, so there is no use. There is a wonderful video on youtube called, “When Other’s Don’t Get Abraham.” I highly recommend it.

I am a little confused. I have never actually been called out on not having evidence of something I have cited so well. If you would like to look at A New Beginning, I have cited the pages, and you can order it on Amazon right now (used). I also have the Joyous Survival CD, and it is no secret that such a CD exists and that it can be purchased under Special Subjects. They don’t advertise it anymore, as it isn’t Abraham-Hicks’ main focus.

I do not claim to be a qualified researcher, which is why I cite so heavily, so that others may follow in my footsteps and find this material themselves, then come to their own conclusion. Also, they began their dialogues in 1985 (not 1989). As for the John Edward statement, anyone who would like to hear it, I can email them the audio clip. However, who are these other people who have done all this research for me? If you could give me some links, I would be very appreciative.

I am sorry if my disdain for Abraham Hicks has affected you this much. I did not intend this for people who were with Abraham Hicks now, as I understand that they are very committed to the teachings. It was truly intended for people who were looking for more information on the material, and since no voices of dissent are allowed on Abraham fanpages, I was hoping to have a place to voice mine.

I am currently writing an article called “When Abers Attack!” where I show how people who claim to be on the path to positive thinking strike out against voices of dissent. I have not copied your words yet, and I encourage you to delete the posts, if possible. Otherwise, it will be included in said article. At the same time, I understand your passion and conviction for Abraham Hicks.

I am sorry if I have not been able to address all your comments. I tried very hard, though I’ll be honest, at times I skimmed. If I come across something else that I feel I need to respond to, I’ll make sure to add to this.

Before I go, I feel I should thank you for all the attention you have brought to my thread. Maybe there is something to this LOA stuff. You kept giving your attention to me, and this thread just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

For anyone just coming in now, I am still looking for information on Esther and Jerry Hicks for a blog I am writing. If you have anything, or even personal stories, I would love to hear from you. Vszero, I will be more than happy to hear from you still. I think we all get to express ourselves on forums like these, so keep expressing away.

 

[kyra1985]

I'm sorry. I feel silly. No wonder you questioned my 1989 predictions. I forgot to post the article that its from. I apologize. I have done it on other boards and just assumed I did it here. That makes a lot more sense.

BAD PREDICTION: The Handbook for Joyous Survival - Any takers?

*Abraham quotes cited between A New Beginning and Special Subjects tape: Joyous Survival.

Anyone remember when Abraham was warning of the great earth changes? Abraham told Jerry in the recording called Joyous Survival (you can find this in the special subject series), that we were “very near this realignment” and that the “realignment is in progress already” and would happen in his lifetime (Special). These conversations were in 1989. It's nearly 2011 now.

Regarding the great earth changes, Abraham said, “These changes will be very abrupt…” (Special) and "…volcanic ash will be experienced in all parts of your world, as the volcanoes around your earth are simultaneously activated. Face masks and goggles will be of great value" (Hicks 79). They give great specifics about earthquakes across the U.S. and enormous water damage on the east coast (Hicks 74). Afterward, they said, “your transportation will be severed, so will your economic lines, so will your government” (Special). And “In any event, when the great realignment is upon you, you will not question it, because it will be far beyond anything you've experienced before” (Special).

In case you were doubting them, they wanted you to remember they are nonphysical. "We are aware that you may have difficulty accepting the reality of this physical event, but we encourage you to acknowledge our broader perspective" (Hicks 79). Not exactly the you-discern-truth-for-yourself campaign they've been on recently.

Some Abraham followers now rationalize this prediction away, saying that we must have changed our consciousness enough to change the earth. But in the Joyous Survival tape, Abraham likened stopping this change as being like trying to gather people together to stop the sun from coming up in the morning. Abraham told a story of Esther realizing that “There are those things that have been set into motion, agreements that have been entered into that are outside of her [Esther’s] creative alteration here through this conscious thinking wanting” (Special). In other words, this wasn’t something she or anyone was going to be able to stop from happening, because we “agreed” upon being here during a time of great disaster.

In 1994, Esther and Jerry revised their prediction. Evidently something happened "in the fall of 1988 and then that Energy dispersed" and "In the early part of 1990 we felt you reach another peak and again no realignment but a releasing of the Energy through a series of earthquake and volcanic activities" (Hicks 81). There was some of that, but let me remind you that Esther and Jerry were well aware of those, as this was 1994 when they were speaking this. And volcanic ash has not been experienced in all parts of my world.

Here is a bit of their revision: "When that is, we don't know." I am surprised, considering there were many who were willing to “acknowledge” their “broader perspective.”

Anyone hear Abe harping on climate changes now? Nope. No need. Guess I have to put away my face mask and goggles.

References
Hicks, Esther and Jerry. 2002. A New Beginning. Texas: Abraham Hicks Publications.

----. Special Subjects Tapes Vol. 1: Joyous Survival. Abraham Hicks Publications, 1998.

 

[Cuddles]

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[kyra1985]

Yay! Abraham Hicks was just added to Skeptic's Dictionary!!!

 

[shandyjan]

Kyra, this threads funny with all the hassle deleted, but I'm glad it was! Its enjoyable seeing people doing research and asking for help here, well done!

 

[ExMinister]

Kyra, this threads funny with all the hassle deleted, but I'm glad it was! Its enjoyable seeing people doing research and asking for help here, well done!

It IS funny. With all of Vszero's hostile comments deleted, it kinda looks like I was talking to myself.

Seconded about the research. It is needed.

 

[kyra1985]

Yeah, Exminister, I laughed when they deleted all but ours, because I was like, "Now do i just look like a douche?" Even if it was just yourself, you made very good points ; )

 

[vszero]

I found your dis-empowering blog:

"A critical look at Esther and Jerry Hicks. TO BELIEVERS I am voicing an opinion about Abraham Hicks. I understand that their work may have genuinely benefited your life, and I am in no way trying to take that experience from anyone. I voice this because there has been little, if virtually no, critical dissent on Esther Hicks since she and her husband came forward with their supposed metaphysical experience. I am not claiming that you or anyone else who has listened and benefited from these teachings is crazy."

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"I voice this because there has been little, if virtually no, critical dissent on Esther Hicks"

So you look for things that nobody complains about and manufacture dissent? That is the mark you are leaving on this world?

You are admitting there is no complaints (well, virtually none, which is your statement, which means nothing worth noting).

You admit that many have thrived from these teachings...

RECAP:
Dirt = virtually 0
Thrivers = me and countless others

Way to go!

You took something that nobody had beef with (a set of teachings)
You took something that many people benefitted from

And peed on it.

Miserable.

 

[marplots]

RECAP:
Dirt = virtually 0
Thrivers = me and countless others

Way to go!

You took something that nobody had beef with (a set of teachings)
You took something that many people benefitted from

And peed on it.

Miserable.

But if the criticisms are valid, then you'd want them known, right?

And if the criticisms are invalid, then they can't harm the truth, can they?

Will the people who benefited suddenly become un-benefited again? I don't understand what your objection is all about. Is it the case that true things are made less true when someone examines them?

 

[vszero]

But if the criticisms are valid, then you'd want them known, right?

And if the criticisms are invalid, then they can't harm the truth, can they?

Will the people who benefited suddenly become un-benefited again? I don't understand what your objection is all about. Is it the case that true things are made less true when someone examines them?

I am saying the foundation of this mission is the very reason we progress so slowly as a society...

A person could be making peoples lives better, like say Esther Hicks, who's teachings have brought so many of me and my friends dream careers, amazing social networks, financial abundance, health, joy, and the ability to share this abundance with friends, family, homeless people and those with disabilities

Or, conversely, a person could go on a mission to to discourage people from obtaining the inner knowledge that Abraham-Hicks teaches... And what Abraham-Hicks teaches makes peoples lives better.

And since the mission to discourage people from making their lives better is what I would call a bad use of your time.

And since the mission to make peoples lives better is a good use of your time....

How is it not clear what my reasons are to provide countering opinion on this forum?

 

[vszero]

Contribution is key.

Abraham-Hicks do it exponentially by empowering millions towards self-reliance.

The OP here can't find any dirt on them, yet because they claim to channel non-physcial wisdom in order to publish this empowering information (that is the blueprint to millions of successful people) it is a mission to manufacture dissent?

There a millions of positive stories, all true, about the application of Abraham-Hickses processes and the astonishing positive results.

And the OP says "I voice this because there has been little, if virtually no, critical dissent on Esther Hicks"

Well....

Again, contribution is key.

You are attempting to stifle the contribution that Abraham-Hicks has been doing for decades.

You are contributing nothing.

ps - Anti-contribution.

 

[lionking]

I am saying the foundation of this mission is the very reason we progress so slowly as a society...

A person could be making peoples lives better, like say Esther Hicks, who's teachings have brought so many of me and my friends dream careers, amazing social networks, financial abundance, health, joy, and the ability to share this abundance with friends, family, homeless people and those with disabilities

Or, conversely, a person could go on a mission to to discourage people from obtaining the inner knowledge that Abraham-Hicks teaches... And what Abraham-Hicks teaches makes peoples lives better.

And since the mission to discourage people from making their lives better is what I would call a bad use of your time.

And since the mission to make peoples lives better is a good use of your time....

How is it not clear what my reasons are to provide countering opinion on this forum?

Ester Hicks is a quack making money selling snake oil to the gullible. Of course she, and her supporters, are going to be called out here. What did you expect?

 

[vszero]

Ester Hicks is a quack making money selling snake oil to the gullible. Of course she, and her supporters, are going to be called out here. What did you expect?

It is you who is gullible to think that she is a quack.

It was my vulnerability that gave me the open receiver necessary to understand her teachings and become the massive success I am today.

What do you do in life? Are you living up the the potential and talent you have?

Are you making money doing what you love?

Because if you are, then I would love to know what success models you adhere to, as I love to study and model all success...