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looking for a pithy quote

mothworm

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I remember seeing the general logic of christian salvation summed up in a nice little question along the lines of:

Why would god kill his son to convinve himself to change the rules that he himself made?

Or something like that. I think someone here used to have it as a tag. Anyone remember?

In other words, God stes up whatever system got people into heaven before Jesus, changes his mind, sends jesus, kills him, all in order to fulfill some sort of new rule that (being omnipotent) he could have changed on his own, anyway.

I haven't had any luck googling it, and it's much more succinct than the above rambling.

Thanks.
 
sounds like something godlessbastard.com did

He went on a rant about how inefficient it was to flood the entire planet instead of just making all the sinners cease to exist.

(It took noah 120 years to build the ark, apparently)
 
mothworm said:
Why would god kill his son to convinve himself to change the rules that he himself made?
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It's better than that.

Why would God kill Himself to convince Himself to change the rules that He, Himself, made?
 
Nah, there's a better one in someone's .sig around here:

DIVINE INSANITY: God kills Himself on the cross to save His creations from His wrath.
 
mothworm said:
I remember seeing the general logic of christian salvation summed up in a nice little question along the lines of:

Why would god kill his son to convinve himself to change the rules that he himself made?

Or something like that. I think someone here used to have it as a tag. Anyone remember?

In other words, God stes up whatever system got people into heaven before Jesus, changes his mind, sends jesus, kills him, all in order to fulfill some sort of new rule that (being omnipotent) he could have changed on his own, anyway.

I haven't had any luck googling it, and it's much more succinct than the above rambling.

Thanks.
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Are you talking about my signature?
 
That was it! Thanks guys. It was the muddled nonsense about Jesus and God being one in the same that I had forgotten.
 
Beerina said:
Nah, there's a better one in someone's .sig around here:

DIVINE INSANITY: God kills Himself on the cross to save His creations from His wrath.
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Has anyone out there ever thought of where Satan fits into this equation??? Just a little something to think about....;)
 
I think this summarizes it quite nicely:

http://www.creeds.net/dordt/mp2.htm

The trick that makes it not quite so insane is that Christ's death doesn't automatically atone us for our sins. We have to believe in Him to get the benefit (articles 6 and 7).

Apparently, after screwing us in the Garden of Eden and guaranteeing that there was no way we could atone for those sins, God felt bad and gave us an out. However, he couldn't bring himself to forgive everyone unconditionally, so he made it conditional on believing in Christ. How this works with infinite mercy I'm not sure.

~~ Paul
 
It's also interesting that killed means something different for jesus-- just a weekend of death.

So, he may have missed his saturday tee time, but by sunday, he was back among us.

Seems like an odd ultimate sacrifice, esp. compared with a soldier who dies forever fighting the current jesus vs. allah battle in iraq.

Oh hey, I like the quote in my sig-- pretty sure I coined it (I am kinda clever, aren't I).

In the meantime, enjoy a Savior!

Savor_a_Savior_by_rotnhell1.jpg
 
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