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loch ness monster....here's proof

That card is the Scottish version of the jackalope.
The pic looks like an iguana foot.
 
Nessie has now only three feet??

(Incidentally, the foot indicates a land-living animal, not an aquatic one.....)
 
My first impression was that it was an amalgamation of a lump of tree bark, an acorn, and several animal talons (Which is what it probably is most likely).
 
Its not an iguana foot. It is a crocodilian foot but it is impossible to say which species. If it is really as large as they say it is from an Australian Saltwater Crocodile (Australian "saltie") which is the world's largest croc.

Its size could be judged by the relationship between the diameter of the lower bit of leg attached and the foot itself.

It compares in that respect with the leg showing in the following photo.

Its a front foot also which is not as webbed as the rear feett. Crocodilians have extensive webbing (for swimming) in rear feet but much less in front feet. The webbing, what's present, cannot be seen in this photo and this is often the case. The front webbing can be seen only with the foot widely spread out or
by closer examination.


Take a look at this record buster:

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/natsci/herpetology/brittoncrocs/!cpor5.htm
 
An expert on salties looked at the photo and he says the articulation of the toes, # of toes and the flap of tissue indicates that it is a back foot.

Although webbing on back feet is prominent, it is not visible in this photo and can be seen only when the toes are spread apart.

"There are only four toes, and the articulation is wrong for a front foot. Also, the enlarged "mercurial" scales on the trailing edge of the foot are only found
on back feet. Might be a saltie, but if so it's only a small one (1.5 metres, roughly) judging from the relative size and shape of the claws"

Another croc expert said it could also be the foot of a Nile Crocodile.

Anyway, so much for loch ness monster feet.
 
This is obviously also a a foot and part of the lower leg that was ripped off or came off a taxidermied crocodile specimen.
 
kittynh said:
you can even find proof of the paranormal on ebay...
though if the monster is real, isnt it just another animal

the odd part is that this doesn't seem to be a joke card...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2214221476&category=915
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marsi.jpg

OK. Now what about the Lake Champlain Monster? What is Democrat front runner Howard Dean's position on the allleged monster in his home state?

I won't know how to vote until he says something. :p

dean.jpg
 
Oh my God- it's a scary, scaly fake! The lake monster picture isn't that believable either. ;)
 
There is nothing fake about the leg except that it is not from any Loch Ness Monster, its from a existing , well now dead, crocodilian. Here's a follow-up I got by e-mail from a crocodilian biologist as we have been discussing it elsewhere:

"The pic is obviously the left hind foot of a crocodile (Crocodylus). Probably a captive deformed animal from the looks of the overgrown, abnormal scales forming the typical crocodilian crest along the posterior margin of the hind foot. It has four toes, as do crocodilian hind feet. The elongated overgrown toe nails are probably from being kept in a small confined area in a captive situation where there was no opportunity for the animal the wear its toenails down - probably a smooth surfaced (fiberglass, glass, sheetmetal?) tank, tub, or pool. Can't tell how big the foot is or how old it is.

"Save your money folks. There are a billion of these feet floating around as alligator keychains, compliments of alligator and caiman tourist curios. "PB
 
Re: Re: loch ness monster....here's proof

Abdul Alhazred said:


marsi.jpg

OK. Now what about the Lake Champlain Monster? What is Democrat front runner Howard Dean's position on the allleged monster in his home state?

I won't know how to vote until he says something. :p

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They resemble each other. Could it be .....?
 
SteveGrenard said:
There is nothing fake about the leg except that it is not from any Loch Ness Monster, its from a existing , well now dead, crocodilian. Here's a follow-up I got by e-mail from a crocodilian biologist as we have been discussing it elsewhere:

"The pic is obviously the left hind foot of a crocodile (Crocodylus). Probably a captive deformed animal from the looks of the overgrown, abnormal scales forming the typical crocodilian crest along the posterior margin of the hind foot. It has four toes, as do crocodilian hind feet. The elongated overgrown toe nails are probably from being kept in a small confined area in a captive situation where there was no opportunity for the animal the wear its toenails down - probably a smooth surfaced (fiberglass, glass, sheetmetal?) tank, tub, or pool. Can't tell how big the foot is or how old it is.

"Save your money folks. There are a billion of these feet floating around as alligator keychains, compliments of alligator and caiman tourist curios. "PB
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This is highly irregular - you're the one who's supposed to defend these claims and we'll debunk them! you're invading our territory:D
 
One can't defend the claims of any large, unknown aquatic reptile such as a pleiosaur surviving in Loch Ness, Lake Champlain or anywhere else unless or until we have the specimen in captivity. Photos and sightings to date can be explained away by natural means or fakery such as this taxidermied crocodile curio.

When I see it, all of it, captured dead or alive, then I'll believe it. This was the case with the giant/colossal squid, with the coelacanth and other animals previously reported but unverified by science.


For the latest scoop on giant squid see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2910849.stm


News on coelacanth finds:

New York Times September 24, 1998


Second Home of Fish From Dinosaur Age Is Found



By MALCOLM W. BROWNE


The coelacanth, a very rare fish with a pedigree older
than the dinosaurs, has delighted biologists by turning up in Indonesia.
Two of these ugly but fascinating fish have been discovered nearly 6,000
miles from the coast of southern Africa, the only place in the world where
coelacanths had hitherto been found



See rest of story on: http://www.asa3.org/archive/evolution/199809/0438.html.
 
It's one thing to find an unknown animal or fish in the vast ocean, or a deepest rainforest. But, Loch Ness has more eyes on it looking for a monster than any place else on earth. As for Champy, the locals don't buy it. One supposed film of Champy was nothing but frolicking otters. another hump photo was a well known rock that has been sitting there for quite awhile.
 
kittynh said:
It's one thing to find an unknown animal or fish in the vast ocean, or a deepest rainforest. But, Loch Ness has more eyes on it looking for a monster than any place else on earth. As for Champy, the locals don't buy it. One supposed film of Champy was nothing but frolicking otters. another hump photo was a well known rock that has been sitting there for quite awhile.
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I don't know how the Loch Ness thing got started, and I'd be surprised if many living there "buy it", except for the tourist industry.

I do know that Champy was invented by the Vermont tourist industry.

BTW, Burlington is worth visiting anyway, as is the Shelbourne Museum. And Lake Champlain is truly impressive as is any lake big enough to have a far shore over the horizon.

Shining big sea water. And good fishing.
 
I don't think being in the depths of the ocean is the only reason new species are not discovered. Coelacanths were brought up first by fisherman near the coast of So Africa at not that great a depth. If I recall some or maybe just one washed ashore dead. The colossal squid, however, does inhabit the abyss.
And there is some famous footage of a Univ of Florida biologist standing on a beach with a dead giant squid nearby that washed ashore.

Although new bugs and other insects are discovered all the time, we have had some recent notable larger species discovered including two new species of deer in Viet Nam, a new species of pheasant, 100 new species of frogs in Sri Lanka and two new Amazonian primates recently as well. The VietNam string of disocveries which are far from over just yet is described at: http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/species.html

I agree that with so many eyes watching Loch Ness and so many intensive expeditions to find or record Nessie, it should have shown up long before now and this puts a lot of doubt on its existence.
 
I love the concept of big hidden things in the deep.

I have often wondered why, for example, Charcarodon Megalodon would not still be thriving. Or those cool Pleiseasaurs.

I guess I am just a Woo at heart.:D
 
SteveGrenard said:
I agree that with so many eyes watching Loch Ness and so many intensive expeditions to find or record Nessie, it should have shown up long before now and this puts a lot of doubt on its existence.
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I got one word for you, Steve: Psychics.
 
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