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Lincoln Project is producing good propaganda again

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The Lincoln Project is a conservative anti trump political organization. They produce some of the best anti trump videos, posting them on YouTube.

They are particularly good at skewering trump and the rest of the republican party because they understand him better than liberals do. They attack the extremists from the center right, pointing out all of the conservative principles that the gop has abandoned.

Over the past week, they have released a whole season's worth of videos. The mark Meadows video is particularly good.

The Lincoln project has been noted in conflict and dysfunction of its own. The quality of its YouTube channel declined, but I still check in every once in a while. I was pleasantly surprised to find these videos.
 
It's pretty clear that the Lincoln Project is mostly a grift to get Centrist/Democrat money and prestige for those running it.
Yes, it has produced some good and some bad vids, but mostly, it has just cashed in.
 
why do you call it a grift? i think they produce what they claim to produce
 
dirtywick said:
why do you call it a grift? i think they produce what they claim to produce
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They produce the content they claimed, but not the results. Their videos were shared amongst centrists who want to high-five each other and say "got him!" The Lincoln Project not only bilked these smug idiots out of money, but they also forced their way at the table to push out more left-wing groups, who actually were bringing in more voters.

The fact is, Trump had more support among self-identified conservatives and republicans in 2020 than he did in 2016.
 
Donal said:
They produce the content they claimed, but not the results. Their videos were shared amongst centrists who want to high-five each other and say "got him!" The Lincoln Project not only bilked these smug idiots out of money, but they also forced their way at the table to push out more left-wing groups, who actually were bringing in more voters.

The fact is, Trump had more support among self-identified conservatives and republicans in 2020 than he did in 2016.
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Adding to this is that the Lincoln Project was chasing a ghost. Too many Democrats labor under the delusion that Trump is an aberration rather than a correction to the mean. The "principled conservatives" that Biden pines for and the Lincoln Project was trying to sway is a tiny niche group that already lost one party to Trump and is apparently working on a second.

That and using Lincoln as a mascot for economic conservatives is the slightly less toxic version of "Democrats were the real racists." Lincoln was way closer to AOC than Bill Kristol and it's irritating when the modern GOP claims him.
 
digger said:
The Lincoln Project is a conservative anti trump political organization.
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Bwahahahahahaha!

No. They are an organization that claims they are conservative. They are not. They are grifters, and their current grift is to pretend to be anti-Trump conservatives, because they ran out of money with their old grift of pretending to be normal conservatives.

The Lincoln project has been noted in conflict and dysfunction of its own.
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That's an understatement.
 
I guess there is only room for one grifter pretending to be a conservative to run the GOP.
 
Donal said:
They produce the content they claimed, but not the results. Their videos were shared amongst centrists who want to high-five each other and say "got him!"
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I guess the main question is...

Do negative campaign ads work?

Although people do like to imagine "Just take the high road and we will win!", we have seen cases where negative ads have had a significant impact in the course of an election. Studies have shown that negative ads are influential. (Although admittedly they are less effective when they come from PACs.)

See: Science Daily

The Lincoln Project not only bilked these smug idiots out of money, but they also forced their way at the table to push out more left-wing groups, who actually were bringing in more voters.
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Did they "push out" left-wing groups? Election campaigns are big/complex things. The fact that there was a group like the Lincoln project running anti-Trump ads did not stop the more left-wing groups from doing their own campaigning.

Could the money spent by the Lincoln project have been better used? Maybe, but there is no guarantee that if people were not donating to the Lincoln project, that they would turn around and donate to groups that were further to the political left.
 
Suddenly said:
Adding to this is that the Lincoln Project was chasing a ghost. Too many Democrats labor under the delusion that Trump is an aberration rather than a correction to the mean. The "principled conservatives" that Biden pines for and the Lincoln Project was trying to sway is a tiny niche group that already lost one party to Trump and is apparently working on a second.

That and using Lincoln as a mascot for economic conservatives is the slightly less toxic version of "Democrats were the real racists." Lincoln was way closer to AOC than Bill Kristol and it's irritating when the modern GOP claims him.
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Every time I hear someone talk about "old principled conservatives" from before Trump came along and "highjacked the party", I ask them if they mean the ones who
1) stood by while Scalia's seat went unfilled
2) fear mongered about Obamacare death panels
3) pushed the birth certificate lie
4) propped up Rush Limbaugh while he was screaming disgusting things about "others"
5) used Newt Gingrich's "contrasting words"
6) swift boated John Kerry
7) lied to get us into Iraq

and countless other offenses that show Trump isn't some anomoly. He's not even the mask off. He's just the culmination into a single point
 
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Ziggurat said:
The Lincoln Project is a conservative anti trump political organization.
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Bwahahahahahaha!

No. They are an organization that claims they are conservative. They are not.
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This sound quite a bit like Trump and the MAGAchud suggesting various politicians are "RINOs" (republicans in name only) if they aren't 100% behind Trump.

"I know you've been a member of the republican party for decades, voted for every tax cut bill that was possible, and want to make sure women stay barefoot and pregnant, but because you aren't kissing up to Trump enough, we are going to claim that you aren't REALLY a republican."

There is no "gatekeeper" who determines who is a conservative and who is not. And many of the people involved in the lincoln project do have long histories in republican politics and have pushed for conservative polices. If you have spent a significant amount of your political career pushing for tax cuts, greater defense spending, etc. then yes, you are a conservative.

They are grifters, and their current grift is to pretend to be anti-Trump conservatives, because they ran out of money with their old grift of pretending to be normal conservatives.
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There are people in the organization that have engaged in activities that were... questionable. But that does not necessarily make them "not conservative". Nor does that mean that all people involved in the Lincoln project should be painted by the same brush.
 
Segnosaur said:
There is no "gatekeeper" who determines who is a conservative and who is not.
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In a sense, yes. There's no credentialing process, no official membership. And yet, one can still evaluate whether or not someone is actually conservative. One does not need to simply take someone's word for it.

And many of the people involved in the lincoln project do have long histories in republican politics and have pushed for conservative polices.
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But they don't push for conservative policies now. Because they changed their grift. That's the whole point.

There are people in the organization that have engaged in activities that were... questionable. But that does not necessarily make them "not conservative".
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True. But it's funny, and they should have it rubbed in their face at every opportunity.

What makes them not conservative (or if you insist, not conservative anymore) is that, again, they aren't actually pushing conservative policies.
 
Segnosaur said:
Please tell me these "left wing" policies that you think the Lincoln project is actually pushing for.
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You are confused. I said they weren't conservative, I didn't say they were liberal. Grift is their true ideology.
 
Ziggurat said:
Please tell me these "left wing" policies that you think the Lincoln project is actually pushing for.
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You are confused. I said they weren't conservative, I didn't say they were liberal. Grift is their true ideology.
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So in other words, you are using a variation of the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

In other words, you are defining whether they are "conservative" based not on what policies they might have actually champion, but on some criteria that is not relevant to the definition.

Got it.
 
Ziggurat said:
What makes them not conservative (or if you insist, not conservative anymore) is that, again, they aren't actually pushing conservative policies.
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This is disturbing because it suggests opposition to a Trump-like figure cannot stem from conservative principles.

Ziggurat said:
Grift is their true ideology.
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It's perfectly possible for someone to push for conservative policies (or liberal policies) and still be a grifter. Here's a simple question for you: Who is a more opportunistic grifter, anyone in the Lincoln Project (take your pick) or Donald Trump?
 
Ziggurat said:
Bwahahahahahaha!

No. They are an organization that claims they are conservative. They are not. They are grifters, and their current grift is to pretend to be anti-Trump conservatives, because they ran out of money with their old grift of pretending to be normal conservatives.

That's an understatement.
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Out of curiosity, are Trump, Giuliani, Flynn, Bannon etc Conservatives or Grifters?

And if Trump is a conservative, so am I.
 
Cain said:
This is disturbing because it suggests opposition to a Trump-like figure cannot stem from conservative principles.
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In principle it could. But in the case of the Lincoln project, it doesn't.

They're just grifters, and this is their new grift.

It's perfectly possible for someone to push for conservative policies (or liberal policies) and still be a grifter.
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Sure. And that's what they used to do before Trump. But they don't even do that now.

Here's a simple question for you: Who is a more opportunistic grifter, anyone in the Lincoln Project (take your pick) or Donald Trump?
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Lincoln project. No question.

That isn't an endorsement of Trump either, nor is it even a claim of principle on his part. But it's not a grift. He was making plenty of money before his presidency. He didn't need to become President to be rich, and becoming President didn't make him significantly richer, if at all. In terms of the effort required for the payoff, it doesn't make sense. There are all sorts of other cynical reasons you could attribute to Trump for why he ran for office (megalomania, for example), but grift really isn't near the top of the list.

But the Lincoln Project folks basically don't have any other marketable skill. This is what they have learned to do for a living.
 
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