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Libretarians privatizing Police

Mike B.

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From the LP Presidential candidate:

"Criminals are further discouraged when our tax-supported police forces are converted to private ones. For-profit police forces have great incentive to prevent crime, since apprehending criminals is costly and cuts into profits. Consequently, when Oro Valley, Arizona, brought in private police from Rural/Metro, their burglary rate dropped 95%!

Private security will do things that public police just won't do, such as checking homes when residents are out of town. Because of their focus on prevention, fewer officers are needed, and costs are less.

Crime can be prevented. If you elect me as your president, I will implement a system of restorative justice to rehabilitate offenders before they become career criminals. As part of my crime prevention program, I will veto any infringements on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, so that responsible citizens can protect themselves and their loved ones from thieves, murderers, and rapists.

Finally, I will help public police privatize their services, so that they can focus on prevention. No longer will they bear the epitaph of "pigs" for throwing peaceful pot smokers in jail. Instead of spending half of their resources fighting victimless crimes, they'll finally have time to apprehend the violent criminals who prey on their communities."





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I must confess this is very confusing to me. How can you have a privatized police force?
 
Mike B. said:
From the LP Presidential candidate:

"Criminals are further discouraged...yada yada"

I must confess this is very confusing to me. How can you have a privatized police force?

They are not unusual. Remember how Pinkerton got their start?

The question is, is a private police force more or less effective than a private one. What of those that do not choose to subscribe? Free rider delimma comes to mind as well as accountability problems and policed police problems.
 
Do the LP candidate realize how this doesn't make any sense?

Private security will do things that public police just won't do, such as checking homes when residents are out of town.

So instead of government police breaking into your home when you're not there, you get the private police force breaking into your home when you're not there.

I mean sure private police force should be allowed, reforms for the criminal system too, those are good issues he should talk about. But that quote above just makes him UN-libertarian.

Gem

P.S.:
Rob posted:
is a private police force more or less effective than a private one
:p
 
Re: Re: Libretarians privatizing Police

Rob Lister said:
They are not unusual. Remember how Pinkerton got their start?

The question is, is a private police force more or less effective than a private one. What of those that do not choose to subscribe? Free rider delimma comes to mind as well as accountability problems and policed police problems.

Yes of course about Pinkerton.

However, they did not assume all state policing powers.
 
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Mike B. said:
Yes of course about Pinkerton.

However, they did not assume all state policing powers.

No but they were perhaps bigger than any single state police agency at the time. It's hard to define because the definition of 'police' has so drastically changed. I don't think a private agency would be a good idea but it does have its good points. Still, even if it were private it would not be much different from the government police force in that you would have no choice in matter of subscribing to it because the state or local community would be the actual subscriber. You remain just the taxpayer.


P.S.

Originally posted by Gem
P.S.:
Rob posted:
quote:
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is a private police force more or less effective than a private one
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Brought to you by the department of redundancy department. :)
 
Should crime be fought based on what is profitable?

"Sorry, miss, but you being raped simply isn't profitable enough for us to solve. It yields a higher profit to solve robberies. Have a nice day."

What a profoundly sick idea.
 
Mike B. said:
From the LP Presidential candidate:

"Criminals are further discouraged when our tax-supported police forces are converted to private ones. For-profit police forces have great incentive to prevent crime, since apprehending criminals is costly and cuts into profits. \

Ummm isnt most police work catching criminals more than preventing crime?? Polce are usually called in after a crime. Therefore a private force will NOT bother to catch criminals cause admittingly its "costly". So a private force creates a danger to the public.
 
CFLarsen said:
Should crime be fought based on what is profitable?

"Sorry, miss, but you being raped simply isn't profitable enough for us to solve. It yields a higher profit to solve robberies. Have a nice day."

What a profoundly sick idea.
Welcome to your Libertarian dystopia. There is no distinction between the public good and the profit motive. If you want to see what Neil Bradnarik's America will look like, watch "Mad Max."
 
Mike B. said:
From the LP Presidential candidate:

"Criminals are further discouraged when our tax-supported police forces are converted to private ones. For-profit police forces have great incentive to prevent crime, since apprehending criminals is costly and cuts into profits. Consequently, when Oro Valley, Arizona, brought in private police from Rural/Metro, their burglary rate dropped 95%!

Private security will do things that public police just won't do, such as checking homes when residents are out of town. Because of their focus on prevention, fewer officers are needed, and costs are less.

Crime can be prevented. If you elect me as your president, I will implement a system of restorative justice to rehabilitate offenders before they become career criminals. As part of my crime prevention program, I will veto any infringements on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, so that responsible citizens can protect themselves and their loved ones from thieves, murderers, and rapists.

Finally, I will help public police privatize their services, so that they can focus on prevention. No longer will they bear the epitaph of "pigs" for throwing peaceful pot smokers in jail. Instead of spending half of their resources fighting victimless crimes, they'll finally have time to apprehend the violent criminals who prey on their communities."





here

I must confess this is very confusing to me. How can you have a privatized police force?

I think it means that they won't arrest people who carry a personal nuclear device, since that is their constitutional right. At least that is what Bednarik claims, in his bizarro world interpretation of the constitution. He is an "expert" after all.
 
Re: Re: Libretarians privatizing Police

hgc said:
Welcome to your Libertarian dystopia. There is no distinction between the public good and the profit motive.

Yeah, that's probably why I find it so unappealing.
 
Tmy said:
Ummm isnt most police work catching criminals more than preventing crime?? Polce are usually called in after a crime. Therefore a private force will NOT bother to catch criminals cause admittingly its "costly". So a private force creates a danger to the public.

For once, we agree.
 
hgc said:
If you want to see what Neil Bradnarik's America will look like, watch "Mad Max."

The Central Scrutinizer said:
At least that is what Bednarik claims

I can see why Badnarik needs to explain (on his website) how his name is pronounced.... :D
 
"Should crime be fought based on what is profitable?

"Sorry, miss, but you being raped simply isn't profitable enough for us to solve. It yields a higher profit to solve robberies. Have a nice day."

What a profoundly sick idea."


Like that is all that much different then having cops sitting around in speed traps trying to generate revenue when they could be out doing better things.


This sarcastic post is in no means an endorsement of a privatized police force.
 
[CLICK]

911 Operator: 911, do you have an emergency?

Caller: Yes...someone has broken into my house and my children...

911: Okay, ma'am. We'll just need to get your credit card information...

Caller: But, I think they have guns...

911: That's fine, have you called us before? If so we may have you on record--I could simply bill the info we have.

Caller: They are right outside my door!

911: Oh, well, maybe now is a good time to ask if you would be interested in our 911 Connection Insurance Plan for Gold Level Members. You get fast-track response and complementary first aid if needed...

Caller: [BANG, BANG] gurgle, gurgle.

911: Well it sounds like I lost the sales contest for this month [CLICK]
 
I must confess this is very confusing to me. How can you have a privatized police force?

Two things, basically:

!} Lowest bidders, lowest pay. Think mall security, in your living room, hired by some NGO, such as a 'Citizen's Crime Commission'.
Feel better already?

2} Not bound by the Constitution, any more than bounty hunters, or other private citizens.


Of course, once the 'private' police turn you, and whatever evidence they have uncovered over *to* the government, you will get to serve your sentence in a nice privatized prison facility.
 
c0rbin said:
[CLICK]

911 Operator: 911, do you have an emergency?

Caller: Yes...someone has broken into my house and my children...

911: Okay, ma'am. We'll just need to get your credit card information...

Caller: But, I think they have guns...

911: That's fine, have you called us before? If so we may have you on record--I could simply bill the info we have.

Caller: They are right outside my door!

911: Oh, well, maybe now is a good time to ask if you would be interested in our 911 Connection Insurance Plan for Gold Level Members. You get fast-track response and complementary first aid if needed...

Caller: [BANG, BANG] gurgle, gurgle.

911: Well it sounds like I lost the sales contest for this month [CLICK]

:D :D :D
 
Mike B. said:
I must confess this is very confusing to me. How can you have a privatized police force?

The same way you can have privatized anything else. Malls, condo associations, apartment complexes, all sorts of places have private police force. Not private security, private police force with the ability to make arrests etc. Of course, in order to do that, they need the authority from the local municipality just like the government police do, but it works.
 
Gem said:
So instead of government police breaking into your home when you're not there, you get the private police force breaking into your home when you're not there.

:rolleyes:

Why are so many people so ready to deliberately misread anything? Where did he say they would "break into" your home? They'd just check it, take a glance at it as they patrol the beat and see if anything's going on.
 

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