Liberation from religion and other stuff.

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For me, personally, it was in last October / Novemeber.

What about y'all?

oh yeah and how do two atheists get married?
( it's probably a dumb question that's been answered loads of times )

BTW - Horizon, on BBC2 in the UK, are doing a special, not this week but next week, about evolution vs creationisim if anyone is interested.

Apparently, Richard Dawkins and Sir David Attenborough are only SOME of those who will be interviewed.
 
For me, personally, it was in last October / Novemeber.

What about y'all?

oh yeah and how do two atheists get married?
( it's probably a dumb question that's been answered loads of times )

BTW - Horizon, on BBC2 in the UK, are doing a special, not this week but next week, about evolution vs creationisim if anyone is interested.

Apparently, Richard Dawkins and Sir David Attenborough are only SOME of those who will be interviewed.


When I was diagnosed with cancer and someone tried to tell me it was god's will.

Oh, and havfe a civil ceremony with a judge. avhienda and I are doing that.
 
For me, personally, it was in last October / Novemeber.

What about y'all?

I dismissed all religious beliefs together with with the tooth fairy and the Three Wise Men (Santa's equivalent). My family environment helped, of course.

oh yeah and how do two atheists get married?

Why should they? Or do you mean signing the contract that allows them to share incomes, pay less taxes, adopt children, and so on? They just sign it... and they have a party afterwards if they want to. Or if they want to please their religious families they could just swallow their pride and go on with the rituals.
 
oh yeah and how do two atheists get married?
Don't they have registry offices in Northern Ireland? I though that the civil marriages act applied there equally? And as it is actually illegal to have a religious element in the civil marriage service, then that's how atheists get married.Reading eth above I can see how it could sound sarcastic, that wasn't my intention, but I cant seem to get the right words out :).
 
Personally, I've got no problem as an Athiest having a 'religious wedding'. It just wouldn't mean anything more to me then, say, putting the ring on her finger and then jumping on a plane for the honeymoon. :D
 
One day I just thought to myself, "Hey, where's the proof?" As you can see, there is no proof.

It started one day in a church service. Everyone but me was speaking in tongues. The preacher pointed at the people and said, "The Holy Spirit is moving across the room!" Everyone fainted but me. Either God hated me or all these folks were nuts. I chose the latter.
 
Estimated 16 years and counting, god-free.

My wife and I did technically have a religious wedding, provided by a female chaplain issued by The Little Wedding Chapel in our area, but that was a "non-denominational" lady, selected for convenience because we didn't want to get married in a church nor in front of a judge, but rather in a tent in the backyard.


I wonder, if my wife and I are athiests, and didn't believe, but the priest thought we did, does the marriage count? I suppose in Catholicism it could be annuled. What if the priest knew we didn't? Can we all go through the motions and have it count? Does the state's recognition of the priest's marriage-making capacity only exist insofar as they are performing a religious ceremony, no matter how non-denominationally? Or is she like the captain of a ship at sea, who can just marry people, regardless?
 
My wife and I got married by a clerk of the court. He was an older white-haired gentleman and in his dark suit, he looked very authoratative. We told her very religious parents that it was cheaper this way and they decided it was good enough for them! Our wedding vows didn't even mention God and nobody seemed to care.

I would not have felt comfortable at all in a church wedding. I don't mind going to a church or sitting through a mass, but a church wedding or even being married by a religious official would have been very hypocritical of me.

Oh, if everything is God's will, then my atheism must be God's will, right?
 
I can’t say there was a specific date for when I stopped believing.
I don’t think there was ever a time that I truly believed in a god.
Sure, being raised in a roman-catholic Italian household should of put me on path, but I was ever the rebel.
My first clue came when I prayed for something to happen as a sign of god’s existence.
I mean I really prayed with all my little heart. I made lifelong promises of faith and devotion. From a 6 year old that had to count for something.
When these prayers went unanswered, I asked my mother how could that happen.
She explained, “God doesn’t work that way”.
So, of course, I asked her “How does it work?”
“Ask one of the priests at church.”
I was too young to catch the obvious evasion and I didn’t bother asking a priest, then, because I was embarrassed thinking I might be asking a stupid question.
Later, I was sent to catechism classes to prepare for my first holy communion.
We had to learn, by rote, at least a hundred questions and answers about god and being a good catholic. All this under the tutelage of a very sour faced, cold bitch of a nun named Sister Irma!
I made the mistake of asking her, one day in class, “If we’re the only ones who can go to heaven, does everyone else go to hell? ‘cause that doesn’t seem right.”
Bam! Backhand to the side of my head. “How dare you question the love of our lord!”
What kind of god wanted devotion at the end of a fist?
Even my old man never hit me for anything less than a felony.
I was hauled up before Monsignor, the head of the school, and additionally punished with writing lines for even thinking about questioning Sister Irma. He never even asked what I had done.
My eager young questioning mind slammed the door shut of any chance of listening to anything from the mouth of a priest or nun.
Now, another question started to form.
I started asking everyone I knew, from other religions, if their religion was as heaven exclusive as mine. I got the same answer from all of them. They had the “true” religion, all the rest were wrong.
What a load! I never took anything religious serious again.

Oh, and I married a Jewish girl in a civil ceremony presided over by a judge.
Much to the dismay of both sides of our families.

Sorry if this was too long winded.
 
I'm from a Jewish family. Ironically enough, I think it was my Bar Mitzvah (at age 13) that started me questioning my religion.

Both my parents are atheists, but I didn't know it until very recently. Before my Bar Mitzvah, my family would only go to temple for the major holidays, which ended up being only three or four times per year. We were part of a conservative temple - it was the only one within driving distance - and the services, to me, were long, boring, recitations of prayer after prayer interrupted by an occasional song from the guitar-playing cantor. My parents never took these services seriously, and I recall that most of my time during these holiday services was spent playing with my tie, or my dad's (wearing a suit was a novelty for me at that age).

Other than holiday services, I did jewish sunday school at the temple a few times a month for 4 or 5 years, starting around age 8, leading up to my Bar Mitzvah. I recall asking questions in class that got me glares from the teachers. I learned to stay quiet.

During the intense preparation for my Bar Mitzvah, which consisted of almost daily grilling from and private meetings with my teachers and a seemingly insurmountable amount of memorization, it occurred to me that I never really developed a belief in God and I was convinced that all of the hebrew I was memorizing didn't really have any significance to me. No one ever took the time to check if I believed in what I was learning at the temple. It was assumed that I went along with it all.

So, I went through with it. I memorized my prayers and my blessings, but no one ever bothered to translate any of it into English to allow me to see its significance. I could not find it in me to ask, either.

After the Bar Mitzvah, there was a period of 4 or 5 years when I resisted my parent's requests to go to temple for the holidays. Looking back on it, I was probably best described as totally and completely apathetic towards religion, especially Judaism.

Around my 18th birthday, a friend of mine sent me a link to a website he thought I'd like - something called randi.org. I was a longtime lurker on the forums and I read Randi's commentary regularly. I was repeatedly amazed and overwhelmingly impressed with what I was reading on the site. I learned what critical thinking and skepticism are and I developed a deep appreciation for the world around me as my atheism began to take shape.

I'm 21 now. I'm a junior at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh and I'm enjoying life immensely. I continue to learn from those who are, in my eyes, gods (no pun intended) of skepticism and critical thinking on these boards. I credit this website, and these forums, as a major force that helped make me the student - of university and of life - that I am today.
 
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When I was little, I lumped Santa, Easter Bunny, BoogeyMan, God/jesus and the Great Pumpkin all together. When I found out the truth about one, I wrote them all off as fairy tales. Never found any proof or reason to change my mind.

As I grew older and delved more into critical thinking, I just solidified my stance.

Never been sure about the toothfairy tho.

Married my husband with a J.o.P.

On our five year wedding anniversary, he surprised me with a Vegas wedding. Nothing religious about it but very nice.
 
When I was in about the 8th grade, it finally clicked with me that it was a load of bologna. I think that I independently developed the concept of Occam's Razor. Religion and the the existence of God require too many excuses and too much suspension of rational thought to be the right answer. With all of the "God works in mysterious ways" bullcrap, it became obvious to me that Christianity and the Bible were a crutch for the ignorant.
About this same time, I lost two grandparents, both very good, religious people who died relatively young. This did nothing but reinforce my doubts.
For a long time, I worried about it, but it finally became so painfully obvious to me that I began to ridicule (in my mind) the hopeless religion addicts that I came across. I actually pity these people who "accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior!!!!", because I think they are just giving up and saying they can't handle life, so they will just blame their previous failures to amount to anything on their lack of faith. Now that they are Christians, if they are useless and don't amount to anything, "It's Gods will". Woo-Hoo! I can do anything I want, but don't blame me, "It was God's will".
As I've gotten older, my philosophy on religion has become a version of Karl Marx' "opiate of the masses": "Religion is a crutch for weak-minded people who can't face the realities of life"

I think this turned into a rant. You probably don't want to bring this subject up with me in a bar, as I've been known to not keep my mouth shut when I should.:o
 
...You probably don't want to bring this subject up with me in a bar, as I've been known to not keep my mouth shut when I should.:o

Actually that sounds like fun :D

For me it was more gradual. I was more of an agnostic or deist for a long while. One day it just occurred to me, its all BS. That was a very freeing moment though. No more concern for my purpose or god’s will. I was in charge of my own destiny!
 
One day I just thought to myself, "Hey, where's the proof?" As you can see, there is no proof.

It started one day in a church service. Everyone but me was speaking in tongues. The preacher pointed at the people and said, "The Holy Spirit is moving across the room!" Everyone fainted but me. Either God hated me or all these folks were nuts. I chose the latter.

Oooh, that is so me, too! There was a week-long Spirit Meeting, and I went every night, waiting to be "slain in the Spirit" (faint) like everyone else, without faking it like I always did.

And nothing happened. I begged, cried, pleaded, got the pastor, associate pastor, and music minister to all help...

Nada.

That's when I became agnostic. I still felt there was *something* out there, but it sure wasn't the Christian God. (I had been having issues long before this, however.)

Once I entered college at 42 (41? whatever), I finally took a course on logic and critical thinking, and I just knew. There is no woo.
 

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