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"Liberal elite" from Howard Dean

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"We're smart, you're dumb" from Howard "The Scream" Dean.

From newsmax.com....

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/3/21/151505.shtml

My comments in bold..

Monday, March 21, 2005 2:35 p.m. EST
Dean to Dems: 'Keep It Simple'

Newly ordained Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, who lost his own bid for the White House last year despite an early lead, thinks he has a plan for his party to regain the Oval Office in 2008 and beyond.

OK, what's the plan? John Kerry had many "plans", but we never heard them

His advice? "Keep it simple" so Americans will realize that they really prefer the Democrats to the Republicans.

That's the "plan"? Infer that Americans too stupid to grasp anything more than a soundbite? Oh, that'll win friends and influence people. Ever read Dale Carnegie, Howard?

The Toronto Star reports that Dean, in a message to supporters on Sunday, described Republicans as "brain dead," but said eventual Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts lost to President Bush because party leaders and representatives have a "tendency to explain every issue in half an hour of detail."

Great plan, Howard. Try to convert Republicans to your side by calling them "brain dead" and too stupid to grasp detail. Not to mention your recent comment that they are "evil republicans"

Dean, in Toronto to address 150 members of the group Democrats Abroad – formed in 1964 to register Americans living out of the country to vote as Democrats – warned, "I'm going to be very disciplined about how we deliver messages. According to the Star, the one-time Vermont governor added: "We can have policy deliberations in rooms like this. On TV, we have to be very focused."

Translation..We democrats in this room are smart, but we're too smart for the public and we'll have to dumb it down. But, we're not smart enough to realize that we come across as pompous jerks.

Republicans, meanwhile, have managed to hone their message expertly, Dean said, noting that his party needs to learn that skill. "The Democrats will have three things, maybe four, that we're going to talk about," he said, according to the paper.

But the "brain dead" doesn't apply to the GOP politicians, since they "hone their message expertly"?

The message seemed similar to one he delivered last month when seeking the DNC's chairmanship. "The Democratic Party will not win elections or build a lasting majority solely by changing its rhetoric, nor will we win by adopting the other side's positions," he said then. "We must say what we mean — and mean real change when we say it."

So...we're going to give the same old rejected policy positions and not come up with anything new. "Say what we mean and mean real change when we say it". What the heck does that mean? Does that mean they've not been saying what they've meant up to this point? I dunno, I guess I'm just a brain-dead repub.

And while Dean has called for an end to the "consultant culture" – scores of paid advisers who, he says, gave conflicting and confusing advice to Kerry last year

We're not that smart after all, but still smarter than those "evil repubs". We've never heard the expression "Too many cooks spoil the broth".

others say the reason the Democrats lost the White House and more seats in Congress is because their messages aren't resonating with voters. They say most people do not agree with Democrats' positions on social, moral and cultural issues especially.

Have the "others" run the Democrat Party. They're smarter than Dean! They actually "get it" that the current liberal philosophy doesn't make sense.

"The majority is on our side," he told the Toronto gathering. "We need to figure out how to talk differently about these issues."

Perhaps Dean missed the election results, which seemed to prove that the majority of Americans were on the side of the Republicans.
 
Oh god, not a newsmax reference. That gives you -5 karma.


Seriously though, Howard Dean should be one of the people right now that others are listening to about this Terry Schiavo stuff. Another famous doctor-turned-politician who has further political aspirations has sold his soul on the Schiavo matter (*cough* Frist) but Howard Dean had some good remarks on the topic yesterday.

Just because Dean is a corny guy who had an infamous blowout doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a break.
 
Easycruise:
His advice? "Keep it simple" so Americans will realize that they really prefer the Democrats to the Republicans.

That's the "plan"? Infer that Americans too stupid to grasp anything more than a soundbite? Oh, that'll win friends and influence people. Ever read Dale Carnegie, Howard?

I'm glad this part came early, so I knew I could stop reading sooner.
 
Re: Re: "Liberal elite" from Howard Dean

Upchurch said:
And now, for an balanced point of view on the Democrats, let's turn to Sean Hannity...

Why, thank you, Upchurch! Have I told you that "you're a great American?":D
 
Seriously, though judging anything Dean has said based soley on an op-ed piece from NewsMax is making a judgement on US foreign policy based on the middle-east's opinion of it.

With a few quick searches, I was unable to find an actual transcript of what Dean said. Without that, I have no idea what the context of each of those quotes were or what he was really trying to say. And really, neither do you.
 
How much people want to bet that easycruise's next post lambasts people for "attacking the source?"
 
Re: Re: Re: "Liberal elite" from Howard Dean

Ladyhawk said:
Why, thank you, Upchurch! Have I told you that "you're a great American?":D
No, you are a great American and I will beat the living snot out of anyone who says otherwise!!! I love this country too much to not do so.
 
Cleon said:
How much people want to bet that easycruise's next post lambasts people for "attacking the source?"

AND...don't forget the part where the personal insults fly. That's the best part...

You gotta love it . Easycruise telling Howard Dean to read Dale Carnegie. That's rich.
 
Ladyhawk said:
AND...don't forget the part where the personal insults fly. That's the best part...

Well, he lets those fly from the first post. It's a bit like having Patrick back, only without the charm.
 
Re: Re: "Liberal elite" from Howard Dean

Upchurch said:
With a few quick searches, I was unable to find an actual transcript of what Dean said. Without that, I have no idea what the context of each of those quotes were or what he was really trying to say. And really, neither do you.
The original source was the Toronto Star, (link) and it's pretty much what newsmax had.

Funny, I couldn't find the DNC chairman's speech on the DNC's web site. Maybe they were embarrassed.
 
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BPSCG said:
The original source was the Toronto Star, (link) and it's pretty much what newsmax had.

Funny, I couldn't find the DNC chairman's speech on the DNC's web site. Maybe they were embarrassed.

What's so embarassing about it? As I see it he wants 3-4 party platforms to be sanitized and compacted into easily digested ideas.

You have to wonder what will be the emphasis.
* Nationalizing the health system
* Gun control
* More invasive environmental legislation

I can't think of a fourth. Maybe they will try to resurrect the patient's bill or rights or try adding more worker government mandated paid-time-off through extended family and medical leave.
 
Re: Re: Re: "Liberal elite" from Howard Dean

BPSCG said:
Funny, I couldn't find the DNC chairman's speech on the DNC's web site. Maybe they were embarrassed.
Maybe various people in the DNC make lots of speeches every day and they just don't put all of them on their web site.

Matter of fact, looking at their website, I don't see any speech transcripts. Why are you surprised that you couldn't find this one speech?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: "Liberal elite" from Howard Dean

Upchurch said:
Matter of fact, looking at their website, I don't see any speech transcripts. Why are you surprised that you couldn't find this one speech?
Point taken.

Maybe all their speeches are embarrassments...:D
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Liberal elite" from Howard Dean

BPSCG said:
Point taken.

Maybe all their speeches are embarrassments...:D

Maybe. It would explain why the RNC's website doesn't have them, either.
 
Yeah, yeah.

easycruise said:
His advice? "Keep it simple" so Americans will realize that they really prefer the Democrats to the Republicans.

That's the "plan"? Infer that Americans too stupid to grasp anything more than a soundbite? Oh, that'll win friends and influence people.
Hate to admit it, but it's true. I think the vast majority of Americans don't delve beyond the soundbyte version of a story. A simple, concise message is what most people need.

[snipe]
How well does the sig "Liberal Logic" is an oxymoron. win friends and influence people?
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Great plan, Howard. Try to convert Republicans to your side by calling them "brain dead" and too stupid to grasp detail. Not to mention your recent comment that they are "evil republicans"
It works okay for the various conservative talk show hosts who clump liberalism with despotism or refer to it as mental disorder. *shrug*


Personally, I think the Democratic party is far too scattered to be of any use and the Republican party is far too corrupt. Unfortunately, both sides have a significant amount of cult-like followers these days, so I really doubt that will change anytime soon. As with most things, we could all stand a little honest questioning of our own beliefs and applied critical thought.
 
Ladyhawk said:
AND...don't forget the part where the personal insults fly. That's the best part...

You gotta love it . Easycruise telling Howard Dean to read Dale Carnegie. That's rich.

Unlike Howard Dean, you fail to grasp that I'm not here to win friends or influence anyone. But I do love to expose liberal elitism and hyprocrisy, just like some of you do to the republicans. If you can dish it out to the conservatives , surely you can take it. Or can you?
 
easycruise said:
Unlike Howard Dean, you fail to grasp that I'm not here to win friends or influence anyone.

So you're here for the sake of your ego, then. This explains much.
 
Well, 'ol Howard COULD be kinda arrogant at time and that's not likely to change. But "liberal"? Let's see: While he was Governor here in Vermont he balanced the budget every year (even though it is not required under our Constitution), received an "A" rating from that right wing bastion the NRA, campaigned against medical marijuana and Methadone clinics, and put more criminals in jail than any previous governor.
This really doesn't seem all THAT liberal to me....
 

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