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"Liberal" ACLU Helping defend Rush Limbaugh

Dancing David

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Very funny!
Story at yahoo
Limbaugh attorney Roy Black is seeking to keep the records sealed from prosecutors who accuse the radio host of illegally buying prescription drugs. He said investigators should have provided some notice they were going to seize records containing private information.
Instead, they used search warrants and gave Limbaugh no chance to challenge the seizure.
But Assistant State Attorney Jim Martz said giving notice would have limited the ability to investigate allegations that Limbaugh illegally "doctor shopped" to obtain pain pills, visiting several doctors to receive duplicate prescriptions.
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At the bottom of the story it says that the ACLU is helping Rush!

I have to wonder about Ashcroft wanting those abortion records.
 
Most people don't realize how organizations like this function. The ACLU ( of which I am a member ) is in the business of protection of EVERYONE'S civil rights of free speech and other constitutional freedoms. I.E.

The case of Nazis marching in a suburb of Chicago that was heavily peopled by survivors of the concentration camps.( 1978)

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The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free speech while their Jewish"targets" claimed the right to live without intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American Civil Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis' right to free speech
/snip

This is the case that formed much of my character and my admiration of the people that really know what freedom and freedom of speech means.
The head council for the ACLU was David Goldberger, Jewish lawyer, son of victims of the Holocaust.

This guy is one of MY heroes.
The truth about organizations like these is like the silent toiling of the rangers in Tolkien's books. In the back ground saving us from ourselves. <sigh>

Edit to add: I was there in Marquette park and in Skokie, so this is not a verbal exercise.
 
Dancing David said:
Very funny!
Story at yahoo

At the bottom of the story it says that the ACLU is helping Rush!

I have to wonder about Ashcroft wanting those abortion records.
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They also represent the KKK on free speech issues....not really a big revelation that they'd help Rush if his rights are being violated.

-z
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
Most people don't realize how organizations like this function. The ACLU ( of which I am a member )
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How do you become a member?

The truth about organizations like these is like the silent toiling of the rangers in Tolkien's books. In the back ground saving us from ourselves.
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I agree, I just wish they had more power.
 
This is a good example as to why I respect the ACLU.

Freedom and equality should be extended to everyone, not just those who you or I may happen to agree with.
 
Fade said:
This is a good example as to why I respect the ACLU.

Freedom and equality should be extended to everyone, not just those who you or I may happen to agree with.
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Agreed.

BO'Re refers to the ACLU as a facist organization, but I don't understand that rational at all.
 
Upchurch said:
Agreed.

BO'Re refers to the ACLU as a facist organization, but I don't understand that rational at all.
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I know OReilly's take, but what has Limbaugh said about the ACLU in the past? What does he say now?
 
pgwenthold said:

I know OReilly's take, but what has Limbaugh said about the ACLU in the past? What does he say now?
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Dunno. I stopped listening to him in college, but I have to admit that I am curious. I know they are helping him or at least offering to help, but has he accepted their help? It'd be a tad hypocritical of him to accept their help and then criticize them on his show. (assuming that's what he does.)

Originally posted by Headscrather4
Does he have it confused with Fox News?
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Wouldn't be the first time BO'Re was deeply confused about things like facts and ideas
 
Upchurch said:
Dunno. I stopped listening to him in college, but I have to admit that I am curious. I know they are helping him or at least offering to help, but has he accepted their help? It'd be a tad hypocritical of him to accept their help and then criticize them on his show. (assuming that's what he does.)


Would be the first time BO'Re was deeply confused about things like facts and ideas
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And, you think that he'd let a little thing like overt hypocracy stop him? It certainly didn't stop him from giving his maid money to buy him illicit drugs....
 
Upchurch said:
Dunno. I stopped listening to him in college, but I have to admit that I am curious. I know they are helping him or at least offering to help, but has he accepted their help? It'd be a tad hypocritical of him to accept their help and then criticize them on his show. (assuming that's what he does.)
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On Monday's radio show, Limbaugh said he welcomed the ACLU's backing and joked that his producer was "hyperventilating" over the prospect.
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http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Jan/01132004/nation_w/128649.asp
 
Upchurch said:
It'd be a tad hypocritical of him to accept their help and then criticize them on his show. (assuming that's what he does.)
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A couple of points. First Rush has demonstrated that the rights he does believe in he believes are consistent across the board. He has come to the defense of a number of first amendment issues and defended Bill Maher when Maher made his statement about the courage of the pilots who flew into the towers. Not that he necassarily agreed or disagreed but that the pressure to remove him was wrong headed.

It's easy to demonize Rush though to be sure he makes it so easy to do so.

I have said many times that I am not a huge fan of the ACLU but if my civil rights are ever legitimately infringed I will call them.

I have a few issues with the ACLU. I am fanatically free speech but I thought California AB101 (IIRC) circa 1992 was a good law and the ACLU was wrong to fight it. The law was narrow and targeted owners of illegal child porn. We are not talking about pictures of naked children but children (pre-teen) engaging in sex acts (anal/vaginal intercourse and oral copulation). The ACLU felt that while the production of such material was clearly illegal, possessing such material shouldn't be. They made the traditional slippery slope argument that didn't fly and in more than a decade the law has not led to any other infringements on expression.

I think the ACLU significantly weakened law enforcement in California when it took on Daryl Gates. Yes there were problems and perhaps the only way forward was to go backwards first. I think ultimately they did more harm than good but that certainly is arguable

The ACLU also defended Oliver North and helped get his conviction reversed.

Bottom line: ACLU, damn glad that they are there. I just don't like everything that they do.

RandFan
 
If an organization does more harm than good, then we are better off without them. Praising the ACLU for defending Rush is like saying Hitler got the trains running on time.
 
Mr Manifesto said:
Speaking of hypocrisy, what's Rush's take on drug abuse these days? :D
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Rush has said plainly that he was wrong. That there was no excuse for his behavior and that he wouldn't try to justify his actions on the fact that he had back pain that led to the abuse in the first place.

I'm not trying to defend Rush. I like to listen to him though I disagree with much and I do think that there is a degree of hypocracy. He called Jerry Garcia a drug addict or dope fiend or something like that a few years ago. He seems intolerant of the mistakes of others.

However, I would say that he has not asked for differential treatment, pitty or sympathy. He accepted the responsibility for what he has done. At least verbally.
 
Ranfan

Well sir I think that any "balanced" organization like the ACLU will occasionally prove to be troublesome to one's point of view, in fact I find that to be a testimony to their equality of application of the constitution to all sides.

Like PBS radio on" All things considered" when feedback is read on the air , when the first letter is a scathing indictment of their espousing of Conservative politics , followed by another letter disavowing their embrace of the heathen self serving left...... When all complain I think that's a good indicater of fairness.
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
Ranfan

Well sir I think that any "balanced" organization like the ACLU will occasionally prove to be troublesome to one's point of view, in fact I find that to be a testimony to their equality of application of the constitution to all sides.

Like PBS radio on" All things considered" when feedback is read on the air , when the first letter is a scathing indictment of their espousing of Conservative politics , followed by another letter disavowing their embrace of the heathen self serving left...... When all complain I think that's a good indicater of fairness.
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No argument. I just wanted to complain thus indicating the ACLU's fairness. :)

You will understand if I think the ACLU while MOSTLY balanced in it's defense of certain constitutional liberties is still Liberal.

I say mostly because they chose to recognize the safety and rights of women to enter a clinic outweighed the rights of abortion protestors. I'm not arguing the merits of the case but they did come down against free speech on that one IMO.
 
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