Let's watch the liberals rationalize

[Ed]

From the NYT, today:
African Anglican Leaders Outraged Over Gay Bishop in U.S.
By MARC LACEY and LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Published: November 4, 2003

NAIROBI, Kenya, Nov. 3 — Africa's Anglican leaders expressed fury on Monday at the consecration of a gay bishop in New Hampshire, renewing their intention to break from the American church and deepening an ideological fault line that crisscrossed the world.

"The Devil has clearly entered our church," said Archbishop Benjamin Nzimbi of Kenya, who has announced that his church will have nothing to do with the Episcopal Church U.S.A., which sanctioned the election of Bishop V. Gene Robinson, who was consecrated on Sunday.

How will liberals deal with this? On one hand you have the darlings of the left, the Gay community on the other, the favorite pets of the progressives, Black folks. I would bet that the "pet" attitude will prevail, something that is a reference to "cultural differences" which, translated means "well, they have bones in their noses so we have to make allowences". I also wonder how vocally the right of Africans to to have a dissenting opinion regarding a loved group will be handled.

I guess that this is not the kind of diversity that they care for. That and diverse politcal views expressed on campus.

Edited to add: "It's Psironic!"

 

[Tmy]

Its the conservatives who have the problem. THey hate blacks, and they hate foreigners, and they also hate gays. BUT they also do whatever the church tells them. What happens when the church is sending mixed signals. I guess they'll fall back on the old standbye and "blame the jews".

 

[Tony]

Its the conservatives who have the problem. THey hate blacks, and they hate foreigners, and they also hate gays. BUT they also do whatever the church tells them. What happens when the church is sending mixed signals. I guess they'll fall back on the old standbye and "blame the jews".

I knew why I was intially opposed to letting retards use computers, my concerns have been validated with this post.

 

[NightG1]

From the NYT, today:
African Anglican Leaders Outraged Over Gay Bishop in U.S.
By MARC LACEY and LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Ed:

As a liberal, my only response is that I have better things to worry about than the affairs of bunch of nutty cultists - whatever their race, creed or gender happens to be.

 

[rikzilla]

From the NYT, today:
African Anglican Leaders Outraged Over Gay Bishop in U.S.
By MARC LACEY and LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Published: November 4, 2003

NAIROBI, Kenya, Nov. 3 — Africa's Anglican leaders expressed fury on Monday at the consecration of a gay bishop in New Hampshire, renewing their intention to break from the American church and deepening an ideological fault line that crisscrossed the world.

"The Devil has clearly entered our church," said Archbishop Benjamin Nzimbi of Kenya, who has announced that his church will have nothing to do with the Episcopal Church U.S.A., which sanctioned the election of Bishop V. Gene Robinson, who was consecrated on Sunday.

How will liberals deal with this? On one hand you have the darlings of the left, the Gay community on the other, the favorite pets of the progressives, Black folks. I would bet that the "pet" attitude will prevail, something that is a reference to "cultural differences" which, translated means "well, they have bones in their noses so we have to make allowences". I also wonder how vocally the right of Africans to to have a dissenting opinion regarding a loved group will be handled.

I guess that this is not the kind of diversity that they care for. That and diverse politcal views expressed on campus.

Edited to add: "It's Psironic!"

What's really funny is that the Episcopal church is very liberal... and always has been. That's why they're so big in Africa...that's why there's such a connection in the first place! The Episcopal church is like a liberal microcosm....the splits we are about to see in the church also exist in the larger liberal movement.

Many years ago during my personal evolution through religion and into skepticism, I became an Episcopal. I was attracted by their open-mindedness....not just with gays and racial reconciliation,...but because they did not meet my questions of church dogma with blank stares or naked hostilities.

The Episcopal church was the most inclusive and open-minded of any Christian church I've ever attended. Sad,..apparently the more close-minded and dogmatic a church is, the better it survives the test of time.

-z

 

[Flo]

As a "liberal", atheist, and half-African, I am deeply amused.

All the religious communities that try to attract Africans to their particular brand of superstition do so by selling them the most backward, reactionary, bigoted, version they have, all the while applying the universal motto of all missionaries: "do as I say, not as I do". Now they're seeing some of the predictable results ...

 

[DavidJames]

Ed,
I'm also a liberal and agree with NightG1. I do wish you good fortune, however, in finding those that fit neatly into your self serving definition of those you disagree

 

[Ed]

As a "liberal", atheist, and half-African, I am deeply amused.

All the religious communities that try to attract Africans to their particular brand of superstition do so by selling them the most backward, reactionary, bigoted, version they have, all the while applying the universal motto of all missionaries: "do as I say, not as I do". Now they're seeing some of the predictable results ...

Yes, and it just illustrates the depth of a very elemental racism.

 

[BillyTK]

I've no idea why liberals need to get involved in rationalising the activities of what is pretty much the conservative party at prayer.

 

[Skeptic]

Its the conservatives who have the problem. THey hate blacks, and they hate foreigners, and they also hate gays.

...and you HATE people like that!

I guess they'll fall back on the old standbye and "blame the jews".

Nah, that's now the left's prerogative, under the (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) "anti-zionism" crusade.

 

[Malachi151]

WTF does this have to do with liberalism?

The church is an idiotic eye sore on humanity, case closed. What's the issue?

 

[LFTKBS]

Speaking as a liberal, who said I cared about gay people more than straight people or black people more than white people? Here is your answer: once again, Jesus ruins stuff. End of story.

 

[wollery]

I guess they'll fall back on the old standbye and "blame the jews".

Nah, that's now the left's prerogative, under the (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) "anti-zionism" crusade.

And another one falls for the old "anti-zionism equals anti-semitism" hogwash.

I'm Jewish, I'm also anti-zionist. There should be no state of Israel, but since there is they should treat their neighbours with respect and dignity and pull out of the occupied territories (without first building a big fence round them).

edit to add

As for the gay bishop thing, it's just another example of the hypocrisy of religious groups.

 

[glee]

How will liberals deal with this (gay bishop)? On one hand you have the darlings of the left, the Gay community on the other, the favorite pets of the progressives, Black folks. I would bet that the "pet" attitude will prevail, something that is a reference to "cultural differences" which, translated means "well, they have bones in their noses so we have to make allowences". I also wonder how vocally the right of Africans to to have a dissenting opinion regarding a loved group will be handled.

I guess that this is not the kind of diversity that they care for. That and diverse politcal views expressed on campus.

You seem both confident you can speak for liberals, and hostile to them. Not a good combination.
No doubt you support Bush invading Iraq for the oil, while pretending it was all about 9/11.

Perhaps liberals are not biased against gays, which irritates homophobic fundamentalists.
Perhaps progressives want equal opportunity for blacks, which dismays bigoted whites.

Incidentally, I find it ironic that many black Christians want to discriminate against gay people.

 

[Tricky]

Ed,
I'm also a liberal and agree with NightG1. I do wish you good fortune, however, in finding those that fit neatly into your self serving definition of those you disagree

You don't get it, DJ. If you attempt to explain your position to Ed, then you are simply "rationalizing". It makes stereotyping so much easier for him.

 

[wollery]

Incidentally, I find it ironic that many black Christians want to discriminate against gay people.

Where did you get the idea that bigotry was unique to white people?

 

[American]

Its the conservatives who have the problem. THey hate blacks, and they hate foreigners, and they also hate gays. BUT they also do whatever the church tells them. What happens when the church is sending mixed signals. I guess they'll fall back on the old standbye and "blame the jews".

No, we rather hate "victim" groups. We admire individuals who rise above their suffering and life's challenges (which does not include you).

 

[Tmy]

Cheese n crackers are yall so dense that you cant recognize sarcasm.

I posted that as an opposite reaction to Ed's racist post. Funny how everyone jumps all over me and no one says boo about Ed.

 

[glee]

Where did you get the idea that bigotry was unique to white people?

Where did you get the idea that I thought this?

My point was that some members of a supposedly benevolent group that have suffered decades of slavery etc promptly seize the chance to be bigoted themselves.

 

[glee]

Cheese n crackers are yall so dense that you cant recognize sarcasm.

I posted that as an opposite reaction to Ed's racist post. Funny how everyone jumps all over me and no one says boo about Ed.

You came over as a humourless bigot.
Are you so dense you don't know about emoticons?