Lessons to be learned from the Kavanaugh Hearing

The Great Zaganza

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The Great Zaganza
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Preface:
I wanted to make a separate thread for the lesson for Democrats and the lessons for Republicans, but we have enough divisiveness already.
 
Lesson for Nominees:

if you have calendars from your Highschool years - don't show them. Burn them to be on the safe side.
 
The greatest lesson I've learned as an outsider is that the US justice system is even more politicized and partisan than I thought. The US is thus not a nation of laws. I don't know what should be blamed for this, but I suspect the fault lies in your veneration for the US constitution and especially originalist readings of said 200+ year old document.
 
At the lowest levels of the US justice system, former prosecutors run for judge by proclaiming how tough on crime they were as prosecutors. It just gets worse from there.

Sorry, nothing to add on the actual topic at the moment.
 
Lessons to be learned. Never talk **** in your year book. All politicians are ****. The process has been marred, and I hope some bipartisan regulations are made so that another fiasco like this never happens.
 
I hope that the nation is learning that these elite prep schools and Ivy league schools are cess pits. Plenty of very smart, very ambitious people that are absolutely vile. A good pedigree doesn't mean they are good people.
 
If you come forward to report on the character flaws of someone before the Senate expect your life to be ruined. Your home, your career, your whole life will be ripped up by the roots and displaced. And to make it even better, you will be blamed for not ruining your life sooner.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I hope that the nation is learning that these elite prep schools and Ivy league schools are cess pits. Plenty of very smart, very ambitious people that are absolutely vile. A good pedigree doesn't mean they are good people.
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I went to a cheap flyover version of such a school. I agree, but there were also some really great men in my class. I think every class has a mix of the Gorsuchs and the Kavenaughs. Mine certainly did.
 
Dr. Keith said:
If you come forward to report on the character flaws of someone before the Senate expect your life to be ruined. Your home, your career, your whole life will be ripped up by the roots and displaced. And to make it even better, you will be blamed for not ruining your life sooner.
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Ruined?

As of Friday morning Dr. Ford's GoFundMe campaign had raised more than $700,000. Not bad when consider her attorneys are working pro bono.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Ruined?

As of Friday morning Dr. Ford's GoFundMe campaign had raised more than $700,000. Not bad when consider her attorneys are working pro bono.
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She's received a number of death threats, she and her family have gone into hiding. Alternate housing plus security ain't free.

Lawyers are the least of her expenses right now.
 
I've learned that reanimating an unfinished civil war isn't so hard to bring back to fruition afterall.

It just takes patience long enough for the other guy to finally realize you've been whizzing on his leg the entire time you had him holding up his umbrella convinced it was raining.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Ruined?

As of Friday morning Dr. Ford's GoFundMe campaign had raised more than $700,000. Not bad when consider her attorneys are working pro bono.
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So, assuming she and her family get that money deposited into her saving account, would you trade that for having to hire security and move your family at a moments notice to an undisclosed location and then forever be hounded by people who actually believe in pizzagate and that Sandy Hook was fake? I wouldn't.

My wife an I have careers, we make decent money and like our home and our neighborhood and our kids' schools. I've been offered more money to move and declined it every time. This would be devastating to me and my family, but maybe your kids would enjoy losing all their friends. Different strokes, I suppose.
 
uke2se said:
The greatest lesson I've learned as an outsider is that the US justice system is even more politicized and partisan than I thought. The US is thus not a nation of laws. I don't know what should be blamed for this, but I suspect the fault lies in your veneration for the US constitution and especially originalist readings of said 200+ year old document.
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You have that exactly backwards. It is exclusively the Democrats, not Republicans, who launch these vicious personal attacks against judicial nominees. The Democrats whined endlessly (and to this day) about Republicans blocking Garland, but the Republicans never said one bad thing about Garland himself. The toxicity comes from an abandonment of constitutional principles, not from adherence to them.
 
Ziggurat said:
You have that exactly backwards. It is exclusively the Democrats, not Republicans, who launch these vicious personal attacks against judicial nominees. The Democrats whined endlessly (and to this day) about Republicans blocking Garland, but the Republicans never said one bad thing about Garland himself. The toxicity comes from an abandonment of constitutional principles, not from adherence to them.
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Strawman

Garland never got his Constitutionally proscribed hearing, so there was never any need to judge him.
Republicans literally didn't thought him worth even considering.

Compared to that Kavanaugh has it easy - from Ford.
The Democrats are not the ones making the accusation.
 
Ziggurat said:
You have that exactly backwards. It is exclusively the Democrats, not Republicans, who launch these vicious personal attacks against judicial nominees.
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Yeah, Republicans just refuse to consider those nominees, instead. And I'll remind you that Gorsusch, or whatever his name is, didn't have to go through all this.



Can we stop with the partisan rhetoric and whataboutism now?
 
Belz... said:
Yeah,
Can we stop with the partisan rhetoric and whataboutism now?
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They'd have to stop posting then because it's all they have. I wish people here would stop giving the disingenuous posters attention by responding to their posts.
 
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