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Leo, Aries, Cancer Vote to Defund Iraq Troops

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Link (click on "By Astrological Sign").

House vote was 226-195. Leo (22-13), Aries (17-9) and Cancer (28-21) provided 24 of the 29-vote margin.
 
Remind me some time to start a thread about how the language around this ought to shift from "defund the troops" to "defund the war." Really, what's going to happen? The funds will be cut off and Bush will leave the troops there to starve?

I'm not expecting proponents for endless war to change their framing, but those of us who want out of Iraq should use the term "defund the war" continuously so that it gains ground. Same goes for "conservative media."
 
hgc said:
Remind me some time to start a thread about how the language around this ought to shift from "defund the troops" to "defund the war." Really, what's going to happen? The funds will be cut off and Bush will leave the troops there to starve?

I'm not expecting proponents for endless war to change their framing, but those of us who want out of Iraq should use the term "defund the war" continuously so that it gains ground. Same goes for "conservative media."
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Talk about framing...

Here's some framing: Why don't we start calling people who want to "defund the war," "surrender advocates" instead? Harry Reid is saying the war is lost; if we've lost the war, then presumably someone else has won it, and we should surrender. Just gotta figure out who we surrender to...

Anyway, what I want to know is why Leos, Aries, and Cancers hate America.
 
BPSCG said:
Talk about framing...

Here's some framing: Why don't we start calling people who want to "defund the war," "surrender advocates" instead? Harry Reid is saying the war is lost; if we've lost the war, then presumably someone else has won it, and we should surrender. Just gotta figure out who we surrender to...
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I planted that goody just for you to find. You stuck in your thumb and pulled out a plum. ;)

Anyway, what I want to know is why Leos, Aries, and Cancers hate America.
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I happen to know that the father, son and holy ghost of the trinity are Leo, Aries and Cancer, respectively. Jesus says support the troops by defunding the war. Surrender to your maker.
 
hgc said:
I planted that goody just for you to find. You stuck in your thumb and pulled out a plum. ;)
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I was going to say something about low-hanging fruit, but it appears you already claimed the fruity-metaphor high ground. :rolleyes:

I happen to know that the father, son and holy ghost of the trinity are Leo, Aries and Cancer, respectively. Jesus says support the troops by defunding the war. Surrender to your maker.
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Jesus was a Capricorn (they even wrote a song, so it must be true); Congress's Capricorns voted 15-18 to defeat the measure, proving that Fred Phelps is right and Jesus hates America.
 
Doonesburry frames it best.

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BPSCG said:
Talk about framing...

Here's some framing: Why don't we start calling people who want to "defund the war," "surrender advocates" instead? Harry Reid is saying the war is lost; if we've lost the war, then presumably someone else has won it, and we should surrender. Just gotta figure out who we surrender to...

Anyway, what I want to know is why Leos, Aries, and Cancers hate America.
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Surrender? To whom? The Sunnis? The Shiite? I disagree with your framing.

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BPSCG said:
Don't ask me; ask Harry (Sagittarius) Reid. He's the one saying we lost the war. He must know who won it.
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Why? If he's saying we've lost the civil war that is waging in Iraq, and we need to withdraw, why does he need to identify the winner? Probably the winner will be determined some time after we've pulled out, if ever.
 
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Boy you missed it. Aries is the god of war, if he's wants out....... :D
 
The scariest part is that they actually break it down by astrological sign.

Why not break it down by education- see how may PhDs voted for/against it, and how many congressmen didn't finish high school?
 
hgc said:
Remind me some time to start a thread about how the language around this ought to shift from "defund the troops" to "defund the war." Really, what's going to happen? The funds will be cut off and Bush will leave the troops there to starve?

I'm not expecting proponents for endless war to change their framing, but those of us who want out of Iraq should use the term "defund the war" continuously so that it gains ground. Same goes for "conservative media."
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Remember the Gingrich congress with their "draconian cuts"? This is the way the game is played even though you and I know better. Framing is how politicians do things. We hate it when something we want done becomes unpopular through an unflattering or perhaps even dishonest framing.

All I can tell you is, don't sulk.
 
On the Senate side, Libras (September 23 - October 22) were the biggest surrender advocates, 8-1.

I've never trusted Libras...
 
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corplinx said:
Remember the Gingrich congress with their "draconian cuts"? This is the way the game is played even though you and I know better. Framing is how politicians do things. We hate it when something we want done becomes unpopular through an unflattering or perhaps even dishonest framing.

All I can tell you is, don't sulk.
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What, me sulk? You quoted me; read it again...

I'm not expecting proponents for endless* war to change their framing, ...
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*added for snark value, but also as an example of good framing

By the way, I don't consider any of the framing I call for to be dishonest. I think honest, though partisan, framing can be quite effective.
 
The Painter said:
Defunding the war is only good if both sides do it. Unilateral defunding is called surrender.
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I call it withdrawal. You can call it surrender if you like, but I doubt you'll see anyone in this government signing any surrender terms. Surrender is just a word in your framing, but if you want to convince anyone that it's meaningful in this context, perhaps you'll point to the enemy in Iraq to whom we'd surrender.
 
The Painter said:
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Post #11 says "to the terrorists." If they show up to accept surrender, then I suggest we shoot them on the spot.

If you don’t like surrender, how about forfeit?
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Forfeit maybe isn't a bad word for this. I still prefer withdraw. Redeploy isn't so bad, except that it borders on doublespeak.

This is what it's really about: Bush knows as well as anyone that this thing is lost. His only goal is to stretch it out to Jan 20, 2009 so that someone else gets to withdraw. He's holding our troops hostage to that imperative. (How's that for framing?) Why the rest of the Republican Party is willing to advance this scheme is truly mysterious to me. Don't they realize Bush is dragging them down with him?
 
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