"Ladies and Gentlemen, We Got Him!"

[ChristianProgressive]

Cohen's statement about acting with the knowledge and direction of Despot Donald Trump means far far more than just the things Cohen did. it establishes precedent.

Now go back and re-read the reporting from the early days of the Mueller probe on Manafort's emails saying the campaign needed to send someone "low" to the Russians so as to not "send a signal".

Also Papadopolous' statements that Trump was well aware of and encouraged his conspiring with the Russians.

Donald J Trump is guilty of Treason, conspiracy with a foreign power, and subverting the 2016 election. The "election" is therefore invalid.

Hillary Clinton is our rightful President.

 

[theprestige]

You forgot the "Breaking:"

 

[Armitage72]

Donald J Trump is guilty of Treason, conspiracy with a foreign power, and subverting the 2016 election. The "election" is therefore invalid.

Hillary Clinton is our rightful President.

Some Republicans claiming that President Obama wasn't really a citizen thought that the 2008 election would be reversed and McCain would become President. That's not how it works.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Ooh, is this a thread for rank speculation? Here's mine: there's been sufficient evidence to convict Trump since long before the probe began, but there wasn't any point in moving on it because Pence would just pardon him. That would be a travesty of justice by itself, but more importantly it would conceal the extent of the rot. Now with Cohen flipping, there's finally enough evidence to drag Pence down too, and no way in hell is President Pelosi going to help them cover anything up.

 

[Segnosaur]

Ooh, is this a thread for rank speculation? Here's mine: there's been sufficient evidence to convict Trump since long before the probe began, but there wasn't any point in moving on it because Pence would just pardon him. That would be a travesty of justice by itself, but more importantly it would conceal the extent of the rot. Now with Cohen flipping, there's finally enough evidence to drag Pence down too, and no way in hell is President Pelosi going to help them cover anything up.

Is there a way Pelosi could actually become president out of this?

I do recognize that Trump is almost certainly guilty (as sure as you can be), and under normal circumstances would be impeached and removed from office. I also recognize (with almost as much certainty) that Pence is also guilty of various crimes.

But, would the 2 of them be removed simultaneously? Or would Trump get impeached, Pence becomes president, then he appoints his own VP right before he himself gets impeached (and that VP becomes the new president).

 

[ChristianProgressive]

Is there a way Pelosi could actually become president out of this?

I do recognize that Trump is almost certainly guilty (as sure as you can be), and under normal circumstances would be impeached and removed from office. I also recognize (with almost as much certainty) that Pence is also guilty of various crimes.

But, would the 2 of them be removed simultaneously? Or would Trump get impeached, Pence becomes president, then he appoints his own VP right before he himself gets impeached (and that VP becomes the new president).

Manfort picked Pence, which implicates him in the conspiracy. Trump goes, he goes.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

Some Republicans claiming that President Obama wasn't really a citizen thought that the 2008 election would be reversed and McCain would become President. That's not how it works.

Problemwith that theory: Obama IS a citizen and proved it. Therefore the election was legitimate.

Trump subverting the election via conspiracy with the Russians makes 2016 invalid on the grounds of fraud.

 

[Cavemonster]

Is there a way Pelosi could actually become president out of this?

I do recognize that Trump is almost certainly guilty (as sure as you can be), and under normal circumstances would be impeached and removed from office. I also recognize (with almost as much certainty) that Pence is also guilty of various crimes.

But, would the 2 of them be removed simultaneously? Or would Trump get impeached, Pence becomes president, then he appoints his own VP right before he himself gets impeached (and that VP becomes the new president).

My own speculation is that if there is irrefutable evidence of Pence's participation in criminal activity, then Pence could be impeached or pushed to resign first. Unlike Trump, Pence may have shame and doesn't have the unthinking support of 1/3 of the country, so that's plausible. Then, Trump would be unable to have a new VP confirmed because it would require I believe a majority of both houses. If Trump is removed following that, Pelosi would step into the role.

Alternatively, If Trump is removed first and Pence attempts to name a new VP, that person also would need to be confirmed, and if evidence of severe wrongdoing by Pence is made clear in advance of confirmation, He may look too guilty to get to appoint the new President.

My own blind speculation is that Pence IS culpable and the reason Mueller is taking so long is that he thinks it would be a miscarriage of justice to allow Pence or someone he appoints to run the country after this, so evidence presented must clearly include Pence and be released in an actionable way.

 

[Cavemonster]

Manfort picked Pence, which implicates him in the conspiracy. Trump goes, he goes.

I think Pence is almost certainly complicit, but being picked by Manafort does not prove it. Not everything Manafort did was necessary directly about empowering Russia. Choosing Pence was likely indirectly following the plan by simply making Trump more electable by including an old school Christian on the ticket.

 

[ahhell]

Meh, it all depends on what happened and what was said at those meetings. A presidential candidate would be remiss in their duties if they did not have some contact with important foreign nations prior to the taking office.

 

[Leftus]

Donald J Trump is guilty of Treason

Even if what you said was true, none of that qualifies as treason.

conspiracy with a foreign power, and subverting the 2016 election.

Wouldn't happen to have the US Code sections that make either of those actions a crime?

The "election" is therefore invalid.

Hillary Clinton is our rightful President.

If the election is invalid, it's invalid for her as well.

 

[theprestige]

Meh, it all depends on what happened and what was said at those meetings. A presidential candidate would be remiss in their duties if they did not have some contact with important foreign nations prior to the taking office.

I'm not sure if that's necessarily true about a presidential candidate. A president-elect, though, quite rightly starts talking to his foreign counterparts before he takes office. I think you'll find that every modern president-elect, from Obama on back, has met with the Russians before taking office.

 

[Segnosaur]

Donald J Trump is guilty of Treason

Even if what you said was true, none of that qualifies as treason.

Yes, by the letter of the law, Trump wouldn't be guilty of "treason", because that charge specifically refers to actions during war time.

I think people are using Treason in a more broad way, to refer to any sort of traitorous acts.

conspiracy with a foreign power, and subverting the 2016 election.

Wouldn't happen to have the US Code sections that make either of those actions a crime?

Well, off the top of my head, you have the Logan act, which makes it illegal for private citizens to negotiate with foreign countries that the U.S. has a dispute with. (And Trump making a deal with the Russians, like "I'll remove sanctions if I get elected" would qualify.)

Russia's work to get Trump elected would be considered an illegal campaign contribution, and the coordination of Trump's campaign with the Russians would be considered conspiracy.

Hacking into Democratic servers would have been considered computer tresspass under the computer fraud and abuse act. Since the Trump campaign was likely aware of such hacking attempts they would be considered co-conspirators.

And that's not including all of the secondary crimes... such as obstruction of justice and perjury that Trump and his minions have been engaging in to cover up the above crimes.

 

[Crossbow]

Cohen's statement about acting with the knowledge and direction of Despot Donald Trump means far far more than just the things Cohen did. it establishes precedent.

Now go back and re-read the reporting from the early days of the Mueller probe on Manafort's emails saying the campaign needed to send someone "low" to the Russians so as to not "send a signal".

Also Papadopolous' statements that Trump was well aware of and encouraged his conspiring with the Russians.

Donald J Trump is guilty of Treason, conspiracy with a foreign power, and subverting the 2016 election. The "election" is therefore invalid.

Hillary Clinton is our rightful President.

Sorry, but that is not right ...

If Trump is tossed, then Pence will become the president.

And if Pence is tossed, then Pelosi will become the president.

The order of succession is spelled out in the US Constitution.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Sorry, but that is not right ...

If Trump is tossed, then Pence will become the president.

And if Pence is tossed, then Pelosi will become the president.

The order of succession is spelled out in the US Constitution.

Naah!

If it is uncovered that Trump used illegal means to become President, a Time Vortex will open up and transport us all back to November 2016.

Oh, yes, the science totally checks out.

 

[Armitage72]

Problemwith that theory: Obama IS a citizen and proved it. Therefore the election was legitimate.

Trump subverting the election via conspiracy with the Russians makes 2016 invalid on the grounds of fraud.

My point was that, IF they had been correct about him not being a citizen, it would not have reversed the outcome of the election. As Crossbow said, it would have resulted in President Biden, not President McCain, and the same thing would apply now.

 

[Ron Swanson]

"we got him" ?

not

"the truth has been found" ?

This is the cornerstone of the police, courts and lawyers.

Always out to GET something or someone ... no concern about finding the truth

(I done care about the Trump issue itself BTW .. just the subject I mentioned.)

 

[lobosrul5]

Sorry, but that is not right ...

If Trump is tossed, then Pence will become the president.

And if Pence is tossed, then Pelosi will become the president.

The order of succession is spelled out in the US Constitution.

Not if Pence nominates a VP in the interim. Congress would have to approve of his choice with a simple majority though.

 

[kellyb]

I'll believe we got him when I hear on the news that he's in custody. Heh.

 

[theprestige]

I'll believe we got him when I hear on the news that he's in custody. Heh.

I'll believe we got him when a Navy SEAL lies down next to the body to confirm height. That's the traditional milestone for using this phrase, I think.