Kirk Cameron finally shows Atheists what's what.

Let a bear robbed of her cubs meet a man, rather than a fool in his folly.

Proverbs 17
 
Hmph. This Google video viewer is not available for the Mac, it seems. Meh, I don't think I'm missing much. "The Beauty of a Broken Spirit"? Well, that says it all right there. I've always thought that that kind of fundyism was a religion for broken people.
 
The Google viewer is a beta version and my IE crashed after loading it and wiped out a long reply. (Or maybe it was God's will). Anyway, Proverbs 17 was all that was left so maybe it is a Holy Sign. I recommend closing and re-opening IE after installing. The stability of the program may be questionable. Speed and quality of the media is pretty good though.

An open letter to Kirk
The video is long but not dull. It dwells on several 'atheist fallacies' long ago refuted. The first and given much attention is a false notion that atheists believe in some kind of random evolution. For the last time Kirk, the concept is NATURAL SELECTION, not RANDOM SELECTION. Are you just stupidly obtuse or do you persist in strawmen because that's all you have?

I have no doubt that you once believed you were an atheist and believed in random evolution. That's because you are a doofus. You were a doofus as an 'atheist', and now an even bigger one as a Christian. Perhaps as a would-be actor, you sense a larger audience for foolishness in the religious world.

And I hate bananas. But by your silly logic that must be a sin. Maybe God made bananas to feed his monkeys, did you think of that? They have hands too. Hey, maybe God really created the world for them, but they just do not know it.

And the sunrise. It is so pretty. That must be evidence of God because he put it there just for us to see. Your logic has a certain virginal beauty - in unused purity.

There would be so much to enumerate, but why bother?
A characteristic of your type of Christian is that no matter how many years people correct your errors and flawed arguments - you perversely persist in repeating the same old things.

This is an enduring trait of your perverse brand of Christianity - making people who care nothing for truth. I do hope your "ministry" continues because it will hasten the fall of your house of dead bones, built on a foundation of sand.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Did he really use the Argument From Bananas?

I'd forgotten that one.

You have made me very happy.

According him they are the 'stuff of our nightmares'. Wooo I'm afraid to go to sleep now. :D
 
NB: this is what I was thinking of:
The banana-the atheist's nightmare.

Note that the banana:

Is shaped for human hand
Has non-slip surface
Has outward indicators of inward content:
Green-too early,
Yellow-just right,
Black-too late.
Has a tab for removal of wrapper
Is perforated on wrapper
Bio-degradable wrapper
Is shaped for human mouth
Has a point at top for ease of entry
Is pleasing to taste buds
Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
This is from http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/atheist.html which is easily the funniest theist page I've seen all month. Or maybe a witty hoax. It seems to have fooled Mr Cameron.
 
Regarding bananas:
Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
Oh, sweet Jesus! I always thought the banana was the product of the devil, since it is so sweet an succulent yet curved away from the face to make the eating process a pain!
 
Palimpsest said:
Hmph. This Google video viewer is not available for the Mac, it seems. Meh, I don't think I'm missing much. "The Beauty of a Broken Spirit"? Well, that says it all right there. I've always thought that that kind of fundyism was a religion for broken people.
Off topic but why the he11 do we need another video player?
 
I laughed my ass off.
The banana argument is a just hilarious.
also, comparing dead objects to living creatures is really creative, though moronic.

This bit from the mentioned website is nice too
Second, we have faith in plenty of things we don't understand. Did you understand the mechanics of television before you turned it on? Probably not. You took a step of faith, turned it on, and after it worked, understanding how it worked wasn't that important. We accept that there are unseen television waves right in front of our eyes. We can't see them because they are invisible. For them to manifest, we need a receiver, then we can enjoy the experience of television. God is not flesh and blood. He is an eternal Spirit-immortal and invisible. Like the television waves, He cannot be experienced until the "receiver" is switched on. Here is something you will find hard to believe: Jesus said, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him" (John 14:21). Either that is true or it isn't. Jesus Christ says that He will manifest Himself to anyone who obeys Him. Approach the subject the same way you approached your first television set. Just take a small step of faith. If it works, enjoy it, if it doesn't, forget it.

When someone showed me a TV and told me about what is did, I said, "Cool, how can I watch it?"
He said, " Push the little button." and I saw that his claims were true.
Would he have said "You have to climb Mount Everest and push a button on the top" I would've told to shove his TV where the sun don't shine.
 
An open letter to Mr. Comfort (with apologies to Kopji)

Point-by-point on The Atheist Test (on which the video from the OP appears based):

Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."

Nice try, Mr. Comfort, but life has several aspects that a cola can lacks, most notably the capacity for self-organization and replication, which exist all the way down at the molecular level of proteins and DNA. That means that even primitive life has a capacity for generating complexity that a soda can does not.

The banana-the atheist's nightmare.

If all life were as conveniently useful as the banana, you might have a point. If nature were one happy "accident" after another, with all our needs being served by it as easily as you say that some of our food needs are served by the banana, we might easily conclude that these "accidents" weren't accidents, and the world was indeed designed with us in mind. Unfortunately, this is far from the case.

I might also add that the banana isn't quite as convenient as you imply. It still has to be plucked from a tall plant, and it takes many workers and equipment to make it accessible to those outside the rain forest.

Charles Darwin said, "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree." (The Origin of Species, Chapter 6).

Tsk, tsk. This is quoted out of context, since Darwin then goes on to say, "Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound."

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA113_1.html

George Gallup, the famous statistician, said,

"I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity."

George Gallup's comment that "all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity" is technically correct, but irrelevant. Evolution does not posit what Gallop suggests, that a complex system arises all at once by sheer random chance.

Albert Einstein said, "Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe--a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."

This is merely an opinion of a famous man, not a proof of anything.

Could I convince you that I dropped 50 oranges onto the ground and they by chance fell into ten rows of five oranges?

No. If this is an attempt to argue against evolution, it is making the same mistake as Gallop above, arguing against a claim that the theory of evolution does not contain.

The declaration "There is no God" is what is known as an absolute statement. For an absolute statement to be true, I must have absolute knowledge.

The statement "The evidence for God is weak and unconvincing" is a more modest claim, and one with many facts to back it up.

Could it be that the "atheist" can't find God, for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman?

The analogy is severely flawed. Thieves don't defy the police by denying their existence, and even thieves who don't want to find policemen often do nonetheless.
 
Aren't bananas a product of artifical selection by humans anyway, since they are unseeded hybrids of the natural plants. ( wasn't there a news story a few years ago that because banana plants are clones they are in danger of being wiped out by disease?)

Bio-degradable wrapper
:rolleyes:

Is pleasing to taste buds

This is just a plain lie. :D
 
I had trouble getting to sleep last night because of the banana thing. Very scary. Our friends at Snopes have a lengthy article on the genetic diversity of bananas:

linky
Once again, the ecological doomsday bell has been set to tolling, this time by folks fearful of the imminent demise of our favorite fruit, the banana. In January 2003, a report in New Scientist suggested bananas could well disappear within ten years thanks to two blights: black Sigatoka, a leaf fungus, and Panama disease, a soil fungus which attacks the roots of the plant. Those claims have since been disputed.

Humm . My kids insist that a banana is an herb. I think they are half right. The plant is an herb not a tree, the banana itself is a fruit.

The yellow sweet banana is a mutant strain of the cooking banana, discovered in 1836 by Jamaican Jean Francois Poujot, who found one of the banana trees on his plantation was bearing yellow fruit rather than green or red. Upon tasting the new discovery, he found it to be sweet in its raw state, without the need for cooking. He quickly began cultivating this sweet variety. Soon they were being imported from the Caribbean to New Orleans, Boston, and New York, and were considered such an exotic treat, they were eaten on a plate using a knife and fork. Sweet bananas were all the rage at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exposition, selling for a hefty ten cents each.
linky

So... the sweet and 'easily held banana' is actually the result of cultivation BY PEOPLE who developed it for these properties. This does not seem to support their point at all.

The Google viewer is an open source program, licensed through gnu. Yeah I have a weakness for playing with that kind of stuff, I never get to at work.
 
Kopji said:
So... the sweet and 'easily held banana' is actually the result of cultivation BY PEOPLE who developed it for these properties. This does not seem to support their point at all.
I grew up thinking that we have been eating the same fruits and grains since the dawn of humans. I'll bet if you ask, many if not most people will tell you that bananas have been around since the begining. I now know that a number of the foods that we take for granted were domesticated or discovered in more recent times. There is no reason to suppose that the Banana was designed for human consumption. You are right Kopji, when you become educated you see this nonsense for what it is.

Much thanks for the link and the information. I did not know that the yellow banana is just a sterile clone.
 
EGarrett said:
I've been waiting so long for someone to finally emerge and prove atheists wrong once and for all. It's only right by the lord that it be former "Growing Pains" heart throb Kirk Cameron.

WHOA! Wait a minute here - how did this thread get beyond the OP's first statement?

After all, since Kirk Cameron has irrefutably proven all non-believers wrong, there should be no further room for discussion! :rollseyes:

I must leave now to go about the business of changing my entire belief system (or lack thereof, in this instance.) Who am I to question the author-i-tay of the venerable (albiet washed-up '80's sitcom actor cum fundie) Kirk Cameron?
:stops rolling eyes in order to GAG:
 
Albert Einstein said, "Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe--a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."
Besides the fallacy of appeal to authority, quoting Einstein is a tad bit inappropriate, since his "spirit" isn't that much like the Christian god (for example, not a person). And as far as I remember, Einstein was very vocal that he considered the idea of life-after-death more than just a bit, uh, unproven and presumptuous. But if you quote Darwin out of context, why not quote Einstein out of context?

Anyway, have you ever tried to eat a grapefruit with dignity? There is no god!
 
Re: Re: Kirk Cameron finally shows Atheists what's what.

skepHick said:
WHOA! Wait a minute here - how did this thread get beyond the OP's first statement?

After all, since Kirk Cameron has irrefutably proven all non-believers wrong, there should be no further room for discussion! :rollseyes:

I must leave now to go about the business of changing my entire belief system (or lack thereof, in this instance.) Who am I to question the author-i-tay of the venerable (albiet washed-up '80's sitcom actor cum fundie) Kirk Cameron?
:stops rolling eyes in order to GAG:

It was sarcasm, dude.
 

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