Kerry Wins the Iowa Caucus

Theodore Kurita

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What's next for Kerry.

Dick Gephart is dropping out of the Race.

John Edward's was close to winning Iowa. He surged from incredible lows to extremely high highs for certain.

Kerry will be competing against all of this plus:

Wesley Clark

and

Joe Lieberman

and

various other candidates who are still grabbing onto single digits (i.e. Sharpton, Braun, Kucinich)



Who do you think is going to win the New Hampshire Caucus?
 
Braun's been out of the race for like a week. She endorsed Dean.

Just so ya know.

Edit: Hehe... you beat me clk. At least the timestamp is the same.
 
Yes, but mine was more informative. I think that gives me at least 60 seconds worth of extra points.
 
The democratic candidates are going to start slapping Kerry around, like they did Dean. Dean isn't out of it yet, but he will be soon.

Kerry has big money troubles. You don't hear much about it, but he does. He refused federal matching funds. He needs to win big in N.H., or he loses the soft money. The South is next and he's a Yankee with the initials JFK. He needs to ditch Teddy Kennedy the second he leaves New Hampshire.

Some of N.H. will depend on who Gephardt endorses. New England is big labor country, and Gephardt has them all in his pocket.

Kerry showed some class during his speech this evening, taking some time to honor Gephardt, but you can't help wondering if he was fishing for an endorsement.

John Edwards is a good looking guy. The handsomest of the bunch. This will go far in the South, making the ladies swoon. Especially since he is from the South. But he doesn't have the political capital to make it.

Lieberman is Jewish. This will doom him in the South, despite him being the biggest pro-defense candidate.

Lieberman and Clark both screwed up by writing off Iowa. I know they didn't have a chance there, but you can't take any shortcuts.

Lieberman will do rather well in New Hampshire, probably the best he's going to do anywhere. After that, it is all downhill.

Dean is from Vermont. His machine will do well in New Hampshire. Enough to motivate him to keep going.

I think it will be a squeaker between Kerry, Dean and Lieberman, with Kerry the winner.

Gephardt will endorse Kerry.
 
I predicted Dean would win. I was wrong (for the record). I am really surprised by the strong showing Kerry and Edwards made. Edwards' disproportionate percentage of women voters reminds me than not all primary voters have the country at heart. (dont get mad at me, I am sure men do the same thing for female candidates they find attractive and young looking)

All I can say is, good for John Kerry. I disagree with him on his ANWAR position but I think he would make a capable president. I am glad to see he thoroughly schlacked Dean and his camp of bitter reactionaries.
 
Hrm. Will having Lieberman and Clark in the New Hampshire race dither Kerry's vote? I think Dean might have a shot at taking the primary if he stands out again the more hawkish Clark/Kerry/Lieb.
 
I'm torn. First Dean loses (and yes, a distant 3rd is a loss where he's concerned)... I guess the ol' Harkin political machine isn't what I remember from my University of Iowa days. Then Lieberman gets the front-page endorsement of the only statewide newspaper in NH. Lotta variables here.

Two contradictory sets of circumstances exist: Kerry should steamroll through NH without breaking a sweat. Only a week till the primary, he's a local, and he's riding "Big Mo" ((C)2000 John McCain Prods.)... should be a no-brainer.

Then there's the NH Contrarian Factor. Without digging around for actual facts, I can't remember the last candidate who won both Iowa and NH, from either party. NH has a long history of knocking down the Iowa winner, as if they want to prove they're smarter than the Iowans by siding with a different candidate.

In other words, I thought an Iowa win was an automatic disqualification from winning NH. Kerry should win, yet he can't win. It makes the head spin. I guess my pick would be a surprise victory by write-in candidate Nelson Rockefeller (deceased).
 
Jocko said:
NH has a long history of knocking down the Iowa winner...
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Because they have a resentment at not being the first primary/caucus any more. :D
 
corplinx said:
Hrm. Will having Lieberman and Clark in the New Hampshire race dither Kerry's vote? I think Dean might have a shot at taking the primary if he stands out again the more hawkish Clark/Kerry/Lieb.
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NH has been painted for months as the Dean vs. Clark showdown, and I don't know how much importance Kerry can garner in one week before the primary.

BTW, did anyone see Bob Dole giving Clarke a hard time on Larry King tonight? I've never seen a one-armed man make a general squirm like that before. You could tell Dole was enjoying it, too. Clark went down like a drunk tri-delt. Should be a fun campaign.
 
Jocko said:

BTW, did anyone see Bob Dole giving Clarke a hard time on Larry King tonight? I've never seen a one-armed man make a general squirm like that before. You could tell Dole was enjoying it, too. Clark went down like a drunk tri-delt. Should be a fun campaign.
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Oh, man, I wish I had known that was gonna be on. Well, maybe a transcript on CNN's web site tomorrow. I hope so.
 
Luke T. said:


Oh, man, I wish I had known that was gonna be on. Well, maybe a transcript on CNN's web site tomorrow. I hope so.
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It only lasted a few minutes, but it started when Dole referred to Clark as "Colonel." Clark went from zero to psycho in three seconds flat. I can't believe that guy's going to survive his first one-on-one debate with a sensitive ego like that.

Dole... always proving that the Dark Side is the funny side. Damn I wish he'd run again.
 
Kerry is the strongest Democrat to oppose GWB.
Even I, a staunch GWB supporter, would not be disappointed with Kerry winning in November.
He's smart, articulate and a patriot.
Dean is for the children. The 'kids' lost.
Brutal but realistic.
Teresa is happy because she doesn't have to shell out her millions. GWB has to be worried. James Carville is crying in the guest room. Mary Matlin & Laura Ingrahm are walking on air but for the wrong reasons.
Dean lost as we all knew he would.
But GWB has to be scared right now. This is going to be a real race.
Once Sharpton leaves the race & Ghephart follows [I suspect around 2 PM for max TV exposure and throws his support ((& Labor)) to Kerry] things will really tighten up.
Ms. Braun may be the smartest candidate - she tosses her 0% electors to Dean and Dean pays her campagn debts plus she gets $20K/month to be an "advisor" to Dead-in-the water Dean.
This is so funny. Now it's up to the dairy farmers in N.H.
Al Gore is so marginalized right now he is irrelevent politically.
Woo woo!
What's Ross Perot up to? Anyone know? Care? And then there's the "Nadar" factor - there's a fair amount of votes to toss away.
 
Luke T. said:


Oh, man, I wish I had known that was gonna be on. Well, maybe a transcript on CNN's web site tomorrow. I hope so.
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If you find a transcript, please post a link.
 
A sincere question for democrats........

Especially those in the states of the ones running.

Does Gephart losing again and stepping down influence, in anyway, voting for him in any other office, such as re-elceting him senator? Does this affect Dean as governor?

If Kerry wins the nomination and loses against Bush, would you try to find another democrat choice to replace him as senator for a potential presidential run later?

I'm just trying to get a grasp on loyalty to the team as it were. Not trying to be insulting. I've been a Cowboys fan since 1974 and have remained faithful to the team ever since. So I know how it feels to support someone that has a chance, has no chance, and that sucks beyond hope. But teams change players and coaches while keeping the strongest players of a losing team and then lose the stronger players and pull in a new coach. I just want to know if a player is about to lose their job, or if they stay in hopes of a better coach.
 
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