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Kerry lied, POWs died

Mona

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I imagine the Clinton crew that has taken over his campaign were ready to bitch slap him last nite, and demand that Kerry ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ shut up about Viet Nam. All it does is play into the huge vet uprising against him, which is about to go into hyper-drive when Stolen Honor -- the documentary -- is released later this month.

One former POW after another recounts how their Communist torturers used Kerry's words against them and to deny that they were entitled to Geneva Convention protections, since they were "war criminals."

What is Kerry going to reap from his utter insistence on blathering about Viet Nam?

Let us look at Ms.Jane Fonda, who bankrolled Kerry's VVAW in the 70s, and who has given his 527s millions today:

>>One story is told by Jerry Driscoll, an F-4E pilot, who was a River Rat and a former POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off-which sent that officer berserk. In 1978, the Air Force colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the frenzied application of the wooden baton.

Col Larry Carrigan spent 6 years in the "Hilton"--the first three of which he was "missing in action". His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his social security number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge...and handed him the little pile. Three men died from the subsequent beatings.<<

This is what urban-legend debunker snopes.com reports about Fonda, the Kerry supporter, and what she said of our POWs when they came home:

>>To add insult to injury, when American POWs finally began to return home (some of them having been held captive for up to nine years) and describe the tortures they had endured at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Jane Fonda quickly told the country that they should "not hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars." Fonda said the idea that the POWs she had met in Vietnam had been tortured was "laughable," claiming: "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed." The POWs who said they had been tortured were "exaggerating, probably for their own self-interest," she asserted. She told audiences that "Never in the history of the United States have POWs come home looking like football players. These football players are no more heroes than Custer was. They're military careerists and professional killers" who are "trying to make themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals according to law." <<

Again, Kerry took her $$ in the 70s to promote his lies, and his 527s are taking it now.

He is insane to keep Viet Nam front and center in his campaign, but far be it from me to try to stop him.

--Mona--
 
P.S. I most seriously apologize for not tying up my thread title-- if you go here and listen to the former POWs, several discuss how their fellow captives died due to Kerry and Fonda's propaganda.
 
a_unique_person said:
You want to try that again, Mona?

I am sorry. Tho I meant to give a link to the video clips w/my initial post, I did not. My very bad.
 
I'm no fan of Jane Fonda, and even less of her as an actress.
But -
The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above -- that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result -- are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda."

The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and is severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him.
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

There is a sort of dark humor to the whole military angle of this election. On the other hand, if they weren't trying to out-macho each other they'd probably be trying to vie for sainthood.
 
This film, "Stolen Honor", is being produced by Carlton Sherwood, he is a

In addition to his investigation, Sherwood has first hand memories of Vietnam as a decorated, thrice-wounded, former Marine who served on Vietnam's DMZ. Sherwood also covered the anti-war movement as a journalist.

What can I say, anyone who has been wounded three times in Vietnam must be a fraud and a liar.
 
Mona said:
I am sorry. Tho I meant to give a link to the video clips w/my initial post, I did not. My very bad.

I was referring to the urban myths and guilt by association you used as arguments against Kerry. Kerry is not, and has never been, Jane Fonda. So you may be better off leaving out all the references to her.

Did you forward us the text of an email?
 
a_unique_person said:
I was referring to the urban myths and guilt by association you used as arguments against Kerry. Kerry is not, and has never been, Jane Fonda. So you may be better off leaving out all the references to her.

Did you forward us the text of an email?

Please direct us to where Kerry repudiates her for her vicious slnaders of POWs even as he is accepting her money. Thank you.
 
Kopji said:
I'm no fan of Jane Fonda, and even less of her as an actress.
But -


There is a sort of dark humor to the whole military angle of this election. On the other hand, if they weren't trying to out-macho each other they'd probably be trying to vie for sainthood.

What he pointed out, he is correct. I screwed up, after revisitng snopes, In clearly did.
 
a_unique_person said:
Did you just forward us the text of an email you received, without doing some basic checks first?

No, I got caried away in my anger at what Jane Fonda said, and did some googling, but did not read snopes closely enough as another here has pointed out. He is right: someof that is urban legend. I WAS WRONG.

But the POWs speaking out are not wrong: go here Don't blame them for my ◊◊◊◊-up.
 
Stolen Honor by Carlton Sherwood. He has written a whole book on why the Rev Moon is not really such a bad guy, since he works for him. I also cannot find a record of him winning a Pulitzer prize, although you can apparently win them as part of a group.
 

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