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Kerry asked to resign

John Edward put his Senate seat on the line for that nomination. Dick Gephart put his congressional seat up for that nomination.

In retrospect, they were idiots. Probabl a good thing then that they dropped out.

If somehow Kerry's campaign implodes, I think its smart for him not resign a seat he ran virtually unopposed for since all challengers knew they couldnt defeat him since the people of his state overwhelmingly vote for him. Why resign a seat handed to you on a silver platter?
 
Big Deal.

One Republican is calling for his resignation.

Stop the presses.
 
peptoabysmal said:
Kerry asked to resign

87%??? I can understand Kerry missing maybe 70% of the vote while running for office. Kerry just doesn't show the level of commitment we need in our leadership.

If Kerry stepped down that would give the Republicans the Senate... gee... could that be what this is really about?
 
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Questioninggeller said:


If Kerry stepped down that would give the Republicans the Senate... gee... could that be what this is really about?
Can't he name his own replacement or something? If a member of the Danish parliament steps down, the place is taken by a replacement from the same party.
 
peptoabysmal said:
Kerry asked to resign

87%??? I can understand Kerry missing maybe 70% of the vote while running for office. Kerry just doesn't show the level of commitment we need in our leadership.

You don't get it - 87% is actually good. 100% would be better. The less a politician is there, the less they can "help" us.
 
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Kerberos said:

Can't he name his own replacement or something? If a member of the Danish parliament steps down, the place is taken by a replacement from the same party.
I believe that if a US congressman steps down, the governer of the state gets to name the interim replacement.
 
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Tricky said:

I believe that if a US congressman steps down, the governer of the state gets to name the interim replacement.
And is the Govenor of Kerry's state a republican?
 
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Kerberos said:

And is the Govenor of Kerry's state a republican?

Yes, Republican Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney.
 
Before asking for his resignation, I'd like to see the voting and performance records of past presidential candidates who were simultaneously holding some public office and campaigning for the presidency.

What was Gore's voting record? Dole's? Liebermann's? How much time did Bush give the people of Texas as governor while campaigning for the 2000 election?

If Kerry's behavior is typical, then no big deal. If not, then maybe those asking that he resign have a point.
 
Kodiak: Before asking for his resignation, I'd like to see the voting and performance records of past presidential candidates who were simultaneously holding some public office and campaigning for the presidency.
I would also like to see exactly what votes he has been missing. The Senate (and House) vote on a lot of things, many of them routine procedures, proclamations that have no effect on existing law, and other "maintenance" matters.

Is he missing key votes on bills that are barely squeaking through? Or is he missing the routine votes that are almost always unanimous?

Most important question of all: do his constituents think that he is still performing as Senator in a satisfactory manner?

Doing the job of a Senator involves more than just casting votes in the legislature.
 
Kodiak said:
What was Gore's voting record? Dole's? Liebermann's? How much time did Bush give the people of Texas as governor while campaigning for the 2000 election?

Dole stepped down after he got the nomination. I remember being rather upset about it, since I was from Kansas and having one of your Senators hold the Majority Leader position can be very helpful in advancing your state's issues on a national level.

If I were one of Kerry's constituents, I would want him to stay, because I wouldn't want a party change (well, I would, but I imagine his constituents wouldn't) and because any replacement wouldn't have very much seniority in the Senate.



Questioninggeller: The Republicans already control the Senate. If Kerry was replaced by a Republican, then their slim majority would widen a bit.

Commander Cool:

Is he missing key votes on bills that are barely squeaking through? Or is he missing the routine votes that are almost always unanimous?

He comes back for the votes that are important. The Republicans likely set him up on an employment vote. (The Republicans had a clear majority but a few switched their vote so it appeared that his vote would have made the difference) That's Kerry's story, anyway.

MattJ
 
aerocontrols said:


Dole stepped down after he got the nomination. I remember being rather upset about it, since I was from Kansas and having one of your Senators hold the Majority Leader position can be very helpful in advancing your state's issues on a national level.

If I were one of Kerry's constituents, I would want him to stay, because I wouldn't want a party change (well, I would, but I imagine his constituents wouldn't) and because any replacement wouldn't have very much seniority in the Senate.



Questioninggeller: The Republicans already control the Senate. If Kerry was replaced by a Republican, then their slim majority would widen a bit.

Commander Cool:



He comes back for the votes that are important. The Republicans likely set him up on an employment vote. (The Republicans had a clear majority but a few switched their vote so it appeared that his vote would have made the difference) That's Kerry's story, anyway.

MattJ

I think the liberal democrats in the forum are having just about enough of our knee-jerk conservative bias! :D ;)
 
aerocontrols said:


Dole stepped down after he got the nomination.
My recollection is that Dole chose to resign because he felt it would be politically advantageous. Running for president while serving in the senate poses a number of difficulties (which may be one reason few sitting senators have succeeded in becoming president).

One of the difficulties is that it is hard to be in 2 places at once, and if one spends as much time on the campaign trail as candidates need to in order to win it means missing votes (and risking being attacked for doing so).

Another difficulty -- and the one that, as I recall, was the one that was said to have weighed more heavily in Dole's decision -- is that there are many votes that one may not want to have to cast while campaigning for president. Candidates for national office like to be able to straddle the fence on controversial issues such as abortion. That's hard if a red-meat issue comes up for a vote, and if the Senate is in the control of the opposing party (as it was for Dole, and is again for Kerry) it's easy for those kind of issues to be scheduled to come up frequently.

Dole weighed his options, and apparently decided he was better off not being in the senate while conducting his campaign. Tactically, I think it was a good choice, although he still wound up losing. But it is by no means the choice every senator running for president or vice president makes.

In 1960, Lyndon Johnson, then a senator from Texas, was selected as the Democrat's vice presidential candidate (after having been beaten out by JFK for the presidential nomination). By coincidence, he was up for re-election in the senate that year. Not only did he not resign his senate seat, he ran for re-election -- and won! (Which annoyed Texas Democrats, since it meant the Republican governor got to appoint a replacement, costing the Democrats a senate seat they could likely have held if Johnson had let someone else run. But Johnson knew there was no guarantee he would win the vice presidency, and was not willing to give up the bird-in-hand senate seat for the turkey-in-the-bush vice presidency. Like Dole, he made a decision that was in his own best self-interest, not necessarily the best interest of his constituents and supporters.)

In 1964, Barry Goldwater ran for president while serving in the senate. I don't recall his resigning in order to make the run, and don't recall significant calls for him to do so. Since one of the strongest themes of his campaign was that he was so different from his political opponents -- "a choice, not an echo" -- then far from being embarrassed by having to cast controversial votes he probably relished the prospect.
 
Nova Land said:
Another difficulty -- and the one that, as I recall, was the one that was said to have weighed more heavily in Dole's decision -- is that there are many votes that one may not want to have to cast while campaigning for president. Candidates for national office like to be able to straddle the fence on controversial issues such as abortion. That's hard if a red-meat issue comes up for a vote, and if the Senate is in the control of the opposing party (as it was for Dole, and is again for Kerry) it's easy for those kind of issues to be scheduled to come up frequently.


Ummm... no.

Dole was majority leader from the time that the Republicans took over the House and Senate after the 1994 elections until he resigned from the Senate in 1996 (June 11) so he could seek the presidency. (I said that in my post - it's also in pepto's link)

It seems unlikely to me that the minority Democrats could have forced any such controversial issues to the fore in the Senate, nor would the Republicans have done so under Dole's leadership
 
Nova Land said:
My recollection is that Dole chose to resign because he felt it would be politically advantageous. Running for president while serving in the senate poses a number of difficulties (which may be one reason few sitting senators have succeeded in becoming president).

One of the difficulties is that it is hard to be in 2 places at once, and if one spends as much time on the campaign trail as candidates need to in order to win it means missing votes (and risking being attacked for doing so).

This was expecially true for Dole, who was, what, 114 years old when he was running?

Tough for old guys to keep up that pace.
 
aerocontrols said:



Ummm... no.

Dole was majority leader from the time that the Republicans took over the House and Senate after the 1994 elections until he resigned from the Senate in 1996 (June 11) so he could seek the presidency. (I said that in my post - it's also in pepto's link)

It seems unlikely to me that the minority Democrats could have forced any such controversial issues to the fore in the Senate, nor would the Republicans have done so under Dole's leadership
Oops! Faulty memory -- not sure why I was thinking the Dems were in control of the Senate then.

Even so, there were a number of issues that the opposition could bring up for vote, even as a minority, and my recollection (from my admittedly and just-demonstratedly imperfect memory) is that wanting not to be forced to vote publicly on controversial items which his opponents could then spin against him was a key reason for his resigning the senate.

I think that's a reasonable fear for a senator to have, especially one with principles. With Dole, Democrats could have tried to embarrass him with votes on abortion and gun control that could either make him look more hard-line than he was or make him look like he was selling out his core constituency in order to pander for votes. With Kerry, Republicans have a wealth of issues -- gay marriage, pledge of allegiance, flag burning (and, as with Dole, abortion) -- that could present similar problems.
 
Joe Leiberman ran for senate re-election at the same time he was running for VP with Gore.

I once had respect for the guy, but not after that move.

Probably thought to himself, "This Gore guy seems to be a little off kilter and will probably find a way to blow it. Think I'll run at the same time for my nice safe senate seat. The voters in this state are clueless and won't even notice the disrespect I'm showing them.

If Gore wins, yippeee! I'm both VP and senator. Maybe I can find a way to keep both jobs. Other people have two part-time jobs. Why not me? If Gore gets elected and I find I really can't stand the guy, I can always resign VP and keep the senate checks coming in.

Yeah, that's the ticket! If I'm really lucky I can have the best of both worlds.

Have to do what's best for your constituency. Right?:rolleyes:

Yeah, right after I get done doing what's best for me."

They say we have a two party system, but it's really one big party where the drunks on opposite sides of an arguement get into fights over taxpayer money.

Politicians can't help it. That's they way they were raised.

Maybe if the taxpayers pony up more money, they won't fight so much.:rolleyes:
 

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