Skeptic said:To my amazement, people try to look "through" the absurd fantasy into the "real message" of the movie... which is a bit like writing a theology book based on LIFE OF BRIAN.
epepke said:
I have a friend who is an evangelical Christian, and he pointed out that Life of Brian was really quite accurate with respect to the growth industry of Messiahs around that time.
Skeptic said:I was writing tongue-in-cheek. Actually, I like this movie A LOT: great acting, original and interesting plot, etc.
I was merely noting that it is an absurdist fantasy, with its "social commentary" and "philosophical point" being (deliberately) over-the-top.
To my amazement, people try to look "through" the absurd fantasy into the "real message" of the movie... which is a bit like writing a theology book based on LIFE OF BRIAN.
Mark said:
Living life to the fullest is over the top? Why?
Skeptic said:
(WARNING: SPOILER ALERT!)
Well, it isn't, but when the two main protagonists for "living life to the fullest" are:
a). an immortal who repeatedly commits suicide unsuccesfully because he "enjoys being dead" and
b). a woman who kills herself on her 80th birthday because she doesn't like her age...
...I'd say the "live life to the fullest" message is tongue-in-cheek, a bit like Brian's "is it the secret of eternal life?".
Cleopatra said:Yeap, exactly as Mark said it
Harold is calling for people's real attention with those suicides of his, he grew up in a family that nobody taugh him anything really important, like how to love the trees, how to appreciate the starts and the sea. He commits those silly suicide attempts in order to attract his mother real attention who exhausts her love towards him just by spending money and looking for the best bride for him.
Maude on the other hand had seen everything. She had experienced the cruelest and the brightest side of human's nature, she talked to the trees, she adored the sea, she committed suicide just to let Harold live.
Does the film has the final scene in the cemetary where Harold plays saxophone to Maude's grave or this was the end at the theatrical version?
Mark said:He plays the banjo (which Maude gave him) while looking down at his deliberately crashed Jaguar/hearse; he then walks off, still playing, dancing, and ready to live.
I don't think Maude killed herself so much for Harold's sake, as she did simply because it was time to go out with dignity. I do think her refusal to reconsider the decision was for Harold's sake. A rather fine distinction, I suppose...
Cleopatra said:
No, I haven't seen the film Dogma.
Mark said:Btw, did you see Bud Cort in the movie "Dogma?" (Another great film, btw) Wow...the years have not been particularly kind to ol' Harold. Great to see him working again, though.
TruthSeeker said:
I didn't recognize him. Who did he play?