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JREF Graduate Poster's "9/11 WTC Challenge Redux"

david carmichael

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The Challenge: What one piece of evidence(even though the evidence has all been seized & one needs to concentrate on catching them in lies/evasiveness in their answers) would convince you the WTC attack was genuine.


THE REPLY: The screenshots from the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics Web Site showing that all 4 planes took off the morning of 9/11/2001.


Totovader....would you like to provide the people of White Pine County & New Iberia, La. the Web site hyperlink or would you prefer that I provide them?
 
Totovader??? Totovader??

The Challenge: What one piece of evidence(even though the evidence has all been seized & one needs to concentrate on catching them in lies/evasiveness in their answers) would convince you the WTC attack was genuine.


THE REPLY: The screenshots from the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics Web Site showing that all 4 planes took off the morning of 9/11/2001.


Totovader....would you like to provide the people of White Pine County & New Iberia, La. the Web site hyperlink or would you prefer that I provide them?
 
THE REPLY: The screenshots from the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics Web Site showing that all 4 planes took off the morning of 9/11/2001.

You could always ask Seth McFarland whether or not his plane took off. He arrived 10 minutes late, and wasn't allowed to board while it prepared to take off. That was flight 11.

Of course someone so famous and critical of the Bush administration MUST have been In On It™
 
He's spunky, for someone recovering from severe brain trauma and coma.
 
The Challenge: What one piece of evidence ... would convince you the WTC attack was genuine.

That's a horribly stated challenge. Who on earth actually believes that the attacks were not genuine? The point of disagreement here is who was behind the attacks. Even the biggest nutcase on earth knows that the towers were attacked.

To be a "genuine attack" by your definition, does that mean that Osama bin Laden had to be behind the attack? What if it was orchestrated by a lessor known Islamic terrorist, and Osama was mostly ignorant of it, would it still be a genuine attack?
 
Wowwwww!

To the people of White Pine County,Nevada , Ohio Death Row Inmates & to the good folks in New Iberia, la.(Hi Barb!!!-- I predicted they'd behave this way, did I not?)


So who should provide the hyperlink to the BTS Web Site... me or Totovader?

I mean this must have been inadvertent that you ALLLLL forgot Totovader's challenge.


So ... should I provide the hyperlink OR DO YOU ALL already know that that Web Site is going to sho only 2 of the 4 planes took off on 9/11/2001?... the US Government's own Web site!
 
Wowwwww!

To the people of White Pine County,Nevada , Ohio Death Row Inmates & to the good folks in New Iberia, la.(Hi Barb!!!-- I predicted they'd behave this way, did I not?)


So who should provide the hyperlink to the BTS Web Site... me or Totovader?

I mean this must have been inadvertent that you ALLLLL forgot Totovader's challenge.


So ... should I provide the hyperlink OR DO YOU ALL already know that that Web Site is going to sho only 2 of the 4 planes took off on 9/11/2001?... the US Government's own Web site!

You could have posted that link all along, instead of making gibberish posts. What's your problem?
 
The Challenge: What one piece of evidence(even though the evidence has all been seized & one needs to concentrate on catching them in lies/evasiveness in their answers) would convince you the WTC attack was genuine.


THE REPLY: The screenshots from the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics Web Site showing that all 4 planes took off the morning of 9/11/2001.


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So ... should I provide the hyperlink OR DO YOU ALL already know that that Web Site is going to sho only 2 of the 4 planes took off on 9/11/2001?... the US Government's own Web site


Hey David, you may be onto something. I think it's possible that the AA587 crash is fake too!! It's not in the BTS database either. I think it may be an AA insurance collecting scam. I wonder how many other crashes were faked too!!??11 Let's blow them outta the water with some youtube videos and maybe make some bucks selling DVDs while we are at it. Whaddya say?
 
Hey David, you may be onto something. I think it's possible that the AA587 crash is fake too!! It's not in the BTS database either. I think it may be an AA insurance collecting scam. I wonder how many other crashes were faked too!!??11 Let's blow them outta the water with some youtube videos and maybe make some bucks selling DVDs while we are at it. Whaddya say?


Welll... very good... it took this many posts to get one substantive response...

HYPERLINK US TO THE BTS WEB SITE and we can see for ourselves.

I'm interested in the truth-- I don't mind be shown to be wrong...

...but ALSO.... Totovader seems to want to visit every other thread except this one dealing with HIS OWN CHALLENGE...the people who are about to lose their homes might wonder why.


So ...who should provide the hyperlink for these people...ME or Totovader?
 
The Challenge: What one piece of evidence(even though the evidence has all been seized & one needs to concentrate on catching them in lies/evasiveness in their answers) would convince you the WTC attack was genuine.


THE REPLY: The screenshots from the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics Web Site showing that all 4 planes took off the morning of 9/11/2001.


Totovader....would you like to provide the people of White Pine County & New Iberia, La. the Web site hyperlink or would you prefer that I provide them?


Go ahead and post your information here. Let us see what you have.
 
Welll... very good... it took this many posts to get one substantive response...

HYPERLINK US TO THE BTS WEB SITE and we can see for ourselves.

I'm interested in the truth-- I don't mind be shown to be wrong...

...but ALSO.... Totovader seems to want to visit every other thread except this one dealing with HIS OWN CHALLENGE...the people who are about to lose their homes might wonder why.


So ...who should provide the hyperlink for these people...ME or Totovader?

Christ, stop with the mental-masturbation and post the link.
 
Christ, stop with the mental-masturbation and post the link.


Totovader...do you agree?

This is your challenge....

You want me to provide the hyperlink to the Government's own Web site?

...or would you prefer to do it yourself....

NOTE: On Toto's youtube web site ...I ended up having to provide the link myself
 
My expert response:

It is not likely that I shall say anything new here. If I do, it will be of only minor significance. Nevertheless, Mr. David Carmichael's assistants remain a small isolated minority, except during times of economic or social stress, when a mass following develops to blame phlegmatic, heinous slumlords for the problems besetting society. Those readers of brittle disposition might do well to await a ride on the next emotionally indulgent transport; this one is scheduled nonstop over rocky roads. As soon as you're strapped in, I'll announce something to the effect of how you don't have to say anything specifically about Mr. Carmichael for him to start attacking you. All you have to do is dare to imply that we should speak out against behavior and speech that is intended to promote offensive ideologies such as antagonism. I agree that he is as lackluster as he is clueless. But I also think that the time is always right to do what is right. That's why we must shelter initially unpopular truths from suppression, enabling them to ultimately win out through competition in the marketplace of ideas. The first step in that process is to realize that I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives. Of course, the acid test for his "kinder, gentler" new criticisms should be, "Do they still discredit legitimate voices in the insurrectionism debate?" If the answer is yes, then we can conclude that Mr. Carmichael motivates people to join his camp by using words like "humanity", "compassion", and "unity". This is a great deception. What Mr. Carmichael really wants to do is abet ethnic genocide, dictatorships, and snotty, jaundiced heresiarchs. That's why I once had a nightmare in which Mr. Carmichael was free to make all of us pay for his boondoggles. When I awoke, I realized that this nightmare was frighteningly close to reality. For instance, it is the case both in my nightmare and in reality that either Mr. Carmichael has no real conception of the sweep of history, or he is merely intent on winning some debating pin by trying to pierce a hole in my logic with "facts" that are taken out of context.

What Mr. Carmichael fails to mention in his expositions is actually quite telling. For example, did you know that Mr. Carmichael wants to concoct a version of reality that fully contradicts real life? Or that loathsome, intransigent roustabouts like him tend to conveniently ignore the key issues of this or any other situation?

Mr. Carmichael can't fool me. I've met complacent, sullen reavers before, so I know that if Mr. Carmichael is going to talk about higher standards, then he needs to live by those higher standards. For proof of this ongoing tragedy, one has only to realize that even when the facts don't fit, he sometimes tries to use them anyway. He still maintains, for instance, that the laws of nature don't apply to him. Please don't misunderstand me; I'm not saying that Mr. Carmichael is known for his sound judgment, unerring foresight, and sagacious adaptation of means to ends. In fact, you may be worried that he will advocate measures that others criticize for being excessively sexist one day. If so, then I share your misgivings. But let's not worry about that now. Instead, let's discuss my observation that if one believes statements like, "Bad things 'just happen' (i.e., they're not caused by Mr. Carmichael himself)," one is, in effect, supporting money-grubbing antagonists. Lastly, I can't end this letter without mentioning that Mr. David Carmichael is the ultimate source of alienation and repression around here.
 
The Challenge: What one piece of evidence(even though the evidence has all been seized & one needs to concentrate on catching them in lies/evasiveness in their answers) would convince you the WTC attack was genuine.


THE REPLY: The screenshots from the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics Web Site showing that all 4 planes took off the morning of 9/11/2001.

I see. So your contention is this:

(a) Because a website fails to contain two pieces of evidence that you feel it should contain (i.e. departure times of two flights have not been entered), you believe that 9/11 was an inside job; and, by clear implication,
(b) If that website were now altered so as to show those departure times you would therefore believe that 9/11 was not an inside job.

Is that basically it?

Dave
 
Welll... very good... it took this many posts to get one substantive response...

HYPERLINK US TO THE BTS WEB SITE and we can see for ourselves.

I'm interested in the truth-- I don't mind be shown to be wrong...

...but ALSO.... Totovader seems to want to visit every other thread except this one dealing with HIS OWN CHALLENGE...the people who are about to lose their homes might wonder why.


So ...who should provide the hyperlink for these people...ME or Totovader?


Ok a more serious response this time. It is a serious matter, after all.

Go here http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml


...and check "All statistics" and select Miami from the "Origin Airport" pulldown. Next, select American Airlines from the "Airline" field. Then enter a date of December 20, 1995 and hit "Submit".

You'll find that AA 965 is noticably absent.

Repeat the search with:

- All statistics
- New York JFK
- American Airlines
- November 12, 2001

...and you'll find that AA 587 is also absent. Perhaps AA has a company policy on not reporting statistics for crashed flights? This took me 10 minutes David. 10 minutes of research to squash your smoking gun....
 

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