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Jose Padilla Will Be Freed

A man who travelled to Pakistan and came back to give hundreds of people radiation burns and long-term cancer problems is going to have a trial, during what should be an all-out war. This is not war, this is stupid. I only wish the NSA or CIA or whatever men-in-black agency controls secret commandos is travelling the world and killing these guys secretly with no beaurocratic discretion whatsoever. If such government-funded killers exist, they are not doing their job.

Enemies (ie, anyone who wants me dead and tries to make it happen) should not have trials. They should be captured or killed with impunity.

The object is to win the war with minimal casualties. This court takes no interest in that. They should, but they don't.

Hmmmm. Wonder why!
 
American said:
A man who travelled to Pakistan and came back to give hundreds of people radiation burns and long-term cancer problems is going to have a trial, during what should be an all-out war. This is not war, this is stupid. I only wish the NSA or CIA or whatever men-in-black agency controls secret commandos is travelling the world and killing these guys secretly with no beaurocratic discretion whatsoever. If such government-funded killers exist, they are not doing their job.

Enemies (ie, anyone who wants me dead and tries to make it happen) should not have trials. They should be captured or killed with impunity.

The object is to win the war with minimal casualties. This court takes no interest in that. They should, but they don't.

Hmmmm. Wonder why!
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American, I accuse you of being a terrorist...., thats all that needs to be done. Take him away and imprison him indefinitely. well, thats got rid of one troll, who's next?

Wonderful system......Saddam would have been proud of it....While you are at it, can we have our Australian citizens back....they're the ones you kidnapped and have held for 2 years without charging them with anything......Land of the free? constitutional Republic? what a joke.
 
Kidnapped? Picked up on the field of battle, you moron. They're lucky to be housed in Guantanamo rather than coffins...
 
crackmonkey said:
Kidnapped? Picked up on the field of battle, you moron. They're lucky to be housed in Guantanamo rather than coffins...
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Picked up in the field of battle? Kidnapped you moron. one From pakistan you moron.....what "fields of battle" were in pakistan? The other was arrested in Afghansitan, Not for being involved in any "battles" as you call them.....but for no other reason than he was in the Afghani Army and was not an arab......Try reading up on the facts before you shoot your mouth off.
 
Woo-hoo! This is truly great news!

Of course, they ignored the last court ruling to give him access to a lawyer. I guess we'll see how far they're willing to defy the courts.
 
I believe SCOTUS has already agreed to fast-track review both cases. The question of why the Circuit Cts thought they have jurisdiction will be one question, I'd think.

If the Supremes too rule against Bush etal, that's when it could get "interesting".
 
I think the title of this topic is a misnomer. Padilla isn't going to be "freed."
 
Luke T. said:
I think the title of this topic is a misnomer. Padilla isn't going to be "freed."
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Actually, in a very real sense, he is. Right now, he does not have the protections of a free society: due process right to counsel, fair and speedy public trial by jury, etc. He has been subject to unceasing martial law and interrogation for the last year and a half. Now, he is indeed being freed from all of this, even though he'll most likely be charged and put in jail, but at least there he will have his rights that have been denied him all these long months.
 
The Fool said:

American, I accuse you of being a terrorist...., thats all that needs to be done. Take him away and imprison him indefinitely. well, thats got rid of one troll, who's next?

Wonderful system......Saddam would have been proud of it....While you are at it, can we have our Australian citizens back....they're the ones you kidnapped and have held for 2 years without charging them with anything......Land of the free? constitutional Republic? what a joke.
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and could Canada have its citizens back that are being held without proof/evidence the last couple of years, and please don't send them to Syria or like countries when the lack of evidence results in there being no trial or conviction for alleged links to terrorism.
 
You know, as much as i care about the gov't chipping away at the Constitution I can't get too worked up over Jose Padilla. The man is scum. He should have been rotting in jail for life for his previous crimes, which he was convicted for. In case you don't know, a while back here in Chicago he and a friend decided to rob a kid. Padilla smacked him in the head w/ a baseball bat and knocked him out. As they were picking through his pockets for the loot the kids friend came to his aid, Padilla's friend stabbed him multiple times and as he lay dying Padilla started kicking him in the head for good measure. Be careful who you make your heros out of!

While he may get a trial and a lawyer, he isn't getting out of jail. I hope he rots there a long time.

As for the Guantanamo detainees getting lawyers, fat chance. The 9th Circuit will get slapped down on that one by the SCOTUS. Those guys weren't in Afghanistan looking to learn how to arrange flowers. They were there to train to kill Americans and other westerners. They got caught, they lost. Screw 'em.
 
American, Please do the rest of us who know what being an American really means and change your avatars name. You demonstrate the rationality of a rabid badger poked with a stick and the grasp of the concepts of freedom that negates the sacrifices of the very people who fight wars against the saddams of the world. You don't even fool wisely, your hate is plain for all to see.

Archie Bunker is alive and well but seems to have a better grasp of language then in the 70's
 
Padilla's friend stabbed him multiple times and as he lay dying Padilla started kicking him in the head for good measure. Be careful who you make your heros out of!
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Nobody sane will make a hero of Padilla. Nobody sane should want Padilla to be released. Everybody with any sense at all should want Padilla to have his due process. He has the right to be proven guilty, and the government has the responsibility to prove his guilt, even if he is an evil piece of excrement, especially if he is an evil piece of excrement.
 
fishbob said:
Nobody sane will make a hero of Padilla. Nobody sane should want Padilla to be released. Everybody with any sense at all should want Padilla to have his due process. He has the right to be proven guilty, and the government has the responsibility to prove his guilt, even if he is an evil piece of excrement, especially if he is an evil piece of excrement.
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The rational side of my brain agrees with you. But even if Padilla is shoved down a dark hole and left to rot, I still can't generate much sympathy for him. Maybe after just having visited the Hiroshima Peace Museum and seeing the pictures of what radiation burns will do to human bodies I am a bit biased.
 
shuize said:


The rational side of my brain agrees with you. But even if Padilla is shoved down a dark hole and left to rot, I still can't generate much sympathy for him. Maybe after just having visited the Hiroshima Peace Museum and seeing the pictures of what radiation burns will do to human bodies I am a bit biased.
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Wouldn't it be nice to see the allegations proven in court first?

That is, if they can prove it, and I have no reason to believe they can't.

Even a man found while he is raping a child, eyewitnesses all over the place, still has a right to a fair trial.

Is the government prosecutor and judge simultaniously? :(
 
WildCat said:
While he may get a trial and a lawyer, he isn't getting out of jail. I hope he rots there a long time.
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I have no idea who is calling him a hero, and I can't recall having heard anyone advocate that he should get out of jail, rather what is being advocated is:

the right to legal counsel for this man, no matter how heinous or distasteful his alleged crimes may be. Erode or deny the rights of even one man, or one group without debate and/or appeal, and what is the Constitution worth? Some might say that it devalues the Constitution. Kangaroo courts are one form of justice but are they the type of justice that edifies the Constitution.

I am not comfortable with denying anyone legal procedure.
 
WildCat said:
You know, as much as i care about the gov't chipping away at the Constitution I can't get too worked up over Jose Padilla. The man is scum.
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Not the point. If they can do it for scum, they can do it for any of us.

He should have been rotting in jail for life for his previous crimes, which he was convicted for.
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But he's already served his time for those. This is America. You want to lock someone away, you PROVE IT.

Be careful who you make your heros out of!
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So who's making him into a hero?

As for the Guantanamo detainees getting lawyers, fat chance. The 9th Circuit will get slapped down on that one by the SCOTUS. Those guys weren't in Afghanistan looking to learn how to arrange flowers. They were there to train to kill Americans and other westerners. They got caught, they lost. Screw 'em.
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But again, this is America: PROVE IT. And that means giving people the chance to defend themselves. Otherwise, you run the very real risk of convicting the wrong people.
 
shuize said:
But even if Padilla is shoved down a dark hole and left to rot, I still can't generate much sympathy for him.
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Then don't. But at least try to have some sympathy for the rest of us, any of whom could easily find ourselves down that hole with no way to make them prove our guilt first.
 
Bjorn said:
Is the government prosecutor and judge simultaniously? :(
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Actually, yes, but this is the sticking point: not the jury. The jury is the people. If you want to lock someone away, you have to make your case to the people.
 
I think the point is not 'do we respect Padilla?', but rather 'do we respect the American way of life, and the rule of law?'

The true crime isn't being committed against one man, but against the system that is supposed to protect all of us from an overzealous government.
 
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