John Edward can do, what Maharashi Yogis can't!

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I just posted this on another message board. Impressed...I decided to post it here.

I have previously bashed JE for his disclaimer. Who could believe JE when the disclaimer tells you virtually, that it's not even INTENDED to be real?

Now consider this: JE stands up there under the hot lights...in the studio...in front of a crowd...exchanging jokes and dialogue. Then he takes a deep breath...says he is ready to begin ("I am over here...")...and the reading begins with him first, out of the blue...rattling off perhaps 5 various things, in an attempt to isolate the sitter.

Hmmmmm. Do you realize that even the great Maharashi Yogis can't do what JE does? For them to be able to transcend the earthly plane...they must get into a highly meditative state!

JE CLAIMS he prepares himself, before he comes out on stage. But in no way can this be the same as someone who remains in that state of consciouseness, that I described of the yogis.
 
JE cold reads, not much preparation is needed. I'm not sure what JE does is the same thing the Maharashi Yogi's do.

I've read that JE meditates, but only to relieve stress.
 
Hi Iamme,

Well, JE says he always meditates (prays the rosary) before readings. But lots of people meditate, do yoga, experience a kind of "altered state" (through drugs...prayer...fasting...producing creative works...various things).

I don't remember reading that JE's said that meditation alone is all that's required for spirit communication to occur.
 
Yahweh and Clancie---You see what I'm driving at though. If a person can just get out in a crowd and literally jump 'planes' if you will (earthly to spirit), or, to be able to channel this, through the mind....then why the heck do people like the Indian yogis need to cross their legs, in peace and quiet, and/or to 'tune out' all interference around them...to be able to transcend the earthly plane. I don't see JE on stage 'tuning out', and meditating. What he does BEFORE coming out on the stage means nothing. This would be akin to having a golfer meditate in the clubhouse. Then, when he comes out on the first tee he will be able to 'tune out' some heckler...some guy yelling in his backswing, "Way to go...TIGER!!!!".?. (Whiff):bgrin:

Take those martial arts movies with Jean Claude VanDamme. They show him getting in a highly meditative state in the ring (not before the match). (I get off on those movies by the way. The bad dude gets beat to a pulp, when Jean finishes meditating.):D
 
JE meditates by recalling his bank balance.
My personal guru, The Mararishi Mahashugginah, meditates all the time. He first breathes through one nostril, then the other while chanting his mantra, " Ooom, oom, whoopie, whoopie, NEE!"
Very relaxing.
 
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it would be an announcement that JE had learned to fly, perhaps by being assisted off the stage in an abrupt manner:D
 
I imagine the only spirit communication JE does is with the long dead Jack Daniels and Johnny Walker. And the only preparation he needs before performing with them is a glass and some ice cubes. All the rest is plain bunkum.
 
Well, clearly Iamme doesn't think JE is for real - he's simply pointing out the inconsistency involved. Unfortunately, I expect a lot of TMers don't believe in JE and vice versa, so for them there is no contradiction. And those who believe in both probably wouldn't recognize an inconsistency if it walked up and bit them. So this isn't likely to be a telling argument.
 
The whole problem I have with this bunk now comes from my discussions in the afterlife thread started by Ian. Now if one believes the spirits and part of our consciousness are in fact immaterial, which I would argue makes a hell of a lot more sense if you say you believe in the possibility of telepathy, mediumship, etc. Then this whole meditation, preparation of communication with the "other" plane seems inherently dumb to me. The main problem of how something immaterial could ever possible communcation or interact with something material is damning enough, but ok consider it happens. Your immaterial consciousness communicates with your material mind/body every moment of every day, with inherent ease. So an immaterial "spirit" communicating with an immaterial consciousness of a medium such as JE should be simplicity itself. The communication process should be inherent to us, simple, and detailed. It should be utterly possible for messages of, "Hi, I am the consciousness of the material body you used to know as Sally Jenkins. I am 30, I was born in Chicago in 1973. I'm looking to talk to my daughter Sindy." Until I start seeing examples of this level of quality and clarity I'll have to assume cold-reading and other mundane techniques.
 
Clancie said:
Hi Iamme,

Well, JE says he always meditates (prays the rosary) before readings. But lots of people meditate, do yoga, experience a kind of "altered state" (through drugs...prayer...fasting...producing creative works...various things).

I don't remember reading that JE's said that meditation alone is all that's required for spirit communication to occur.
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JE can get spirit communication for anyone, anywhere, at any time. He can walk past people on the street at get messages.
 
Iamme said:
Yahweh and Clancie---You see what I'm driving at though. If a person can just get out in a crowd and literally jump 'planes' if you will (earthly to spirit), or, to be able to channel this, through the mind....then why the heck do people like the Indian yogis need to cross their legs, in peace and quiet, and/or to 'tune out' all interference around them...to be able to transcend the earthly plane.
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Well there's your problem right there, you are assuming the existence of a hypothetical "spiritual plane", so your question is a little null and void at its premise. Its the same delimma you come across when you assume unicorns and centaurs are existent, then ask why they cannot mate (or fly, or shoot lasers, etc. etc. etc.).
 
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Yahweh and Clancie---You see what I'm driving at though. If a person can just get out in a crowd and literally jump 'planes' if you will (earthly to spirit), or, to be able to channel this, through the mind....then why the heck do people like the Indian yogis need to cross their legs, in peace and quiet, and/or to 'tune out' all interference around them...to be able to transcend the earthly plane.
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Well there's your problem right there, you are assuming the existence of a hypothetical "spiritual plane", so your question is a little null and void at its premise. Its the same delimma you come across when you assume unicorns and centaurs are existent, then ask why they cannot mate (or fly, or shoot lasers, etc. etc. etc.).


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Yahweh---I am NOT really assuming that. I am just making a correlation. I could say that I don't even believe the yogis can do that either. But...if the yogis can't do it, I would SURELY bet that JE can't do it either, when he has to battle mental interference from a the studio/people interaction, etc.
 
Iamme said:
Yahweh---I am NOT really assuming that. I am just making a correlation. I could say that I don't even believe the yogis can do that either. But...if the yogis can't do it, I would SURELY bet that JE can't do it either, when he has to battle mental interference from a the studio/people interaction, etc.
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I don't see the point in making a qualitative comparison between what the yogis are supposed to be able to do and what JE is supposed to be able to do. They're equally goofball. A statement like ".. if the yogis can't do it ..." doesn't actually refer to any kind of standard of capability that I rely on. I don't have any information that a room full of people interferes with psychic ability. For all I know, a crowd enhances it. Actually, that's exactly JE's claim, in that he gets contacted by dead people wanting to talk to people in the room.

It's like saying that I'm not going to believe that bat-sh!t crazy loon in padded cell #1 can really fly, because the loon in padded cell #2, who thinks he's Superman afterall, doesn't even claim that!
 
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