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Joe Rogan Talks to Edward Snowden

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Okay, this is a very long conversation - over two hours - and I haven't listened to the whole thing.

It is a bit weird for a Joe Rogan podcast in that Rogan himself almost doesn't talk at all, let alone go into anecdotes about how he and Joey Diaz were getting high while bow-hunting elk in Alaska.

Instead, it is mostly Snowden talking in a way which really needs an executive summary, about his time in various projects in national security.

I suppose his main message is that the national security works to protect state apparatus, not the population, and are in fact quite cavalier about the rights of the population.

 
Joe Rogan drives me nuts. He gets all the best interviews, but his shows are always hours long, sprawling unstructured slogs.

"needs an executive summary" can be said for pretty much every episode of his podcast.
 
I'm on record years ago saying that this guy will once be president of the United States. After the swamp is drained. Looking forward to spending almost three hours with him and Joe. Thanks for the heads up!
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Joe Rogan drives me nuts. He gets all the best interviews, but his shows are always hours long, sprawling unstructured slogs.

"needs an executive summary" can be said for pretty much every episode of his podcast.
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I just hate Joe Rogan plain and simple. I don't know what it is but I always describe him as a "dude bro". Everyone sees him as this intellectual god send, and I generally see him as a rambling stoner. I'm not a huge fan of Snowden either, but a lot of people seem to like him. He's polarizing, you generally either like him or hate him. I thought I'd like him a bit more after the John Oliver interview, but that just made me impartial. He's a bit of a ******* for how he went about doing his thing, but overall it started a conversation that needed to be started.
 
plague311 said:
I just hate Joe Rogan plain and simple. I don't know what it is but I always describe him as a "dude bro".
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Yeah, the guy's a troglodyte. He was essentially playing himself on Newsradio--a credulous idiot. Things haven't gotten better since he got into supplements, ultimate fighting, and looking like a thumb.

His podcast is impossible to listen to. Sometimes there's an amusing clip. For the most part it seems like the kind of thing you'd find by searching for "ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS" on YouTube, and appeals to the audience that does such things.
 
angrysoba said:
I suppose his main message is that the national security works to protect state apparatus, not the population, and are in fact quite cavalier about the rights of the population.
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In Sweden they tend to use the expression "state security", and not "national security". The "security police" is called such for that reason: it's meant to protect the state. On the other hand the normal police is meant to protect common people.

In America the word "state" is mostly used to refer to the various constituent state's. So using the term "national security" avoids the implication that it's about the security of the individual states, when it notionally is about protecting the "federal government". This also why American's tend to use the word government when other peoples would use state.
 
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Arcade22 said:
In Sweden they tend to use the expression "state security", and not "national security"
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Do they call it "Stasi" as well like in the old "German Democratic Republic" (Stasi = STAatsSIcherheit - State Security)?

Been through it while doing the dishes: This guy is just so adorable, and still (as he says a true believer back then) so naive, but he literally threw a job in Hawaii receiving a ton of money for doing nothing away because of principles.

Until this guy is generally thought of as an American Hero, the country did not heal.

I especially liked the saying at the end, as we are where we are, about "you can't wake up someone who pretends to be asleep".
 
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plague311 said:
I just hate Joe Rogan plain and simple. I don't know what it is but I always describe him as a "dude bro". Everyone sees him as this intellectual god send, and I generally see him as a rambling stoner.
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What? Who do you hang out with who see him as an intellectual godsend and NOT as a rambling stoner. A rambling stoner is pretty much how everyone I know sees him.

Personally, I think of him as someone who has actually improved over time from being a completely credulous conspiracy theorist and stoner., to someone who has actually learnt things from his many guests and has become a bit smarter as a result.
 
I am convinced that Edward Snowden is now vastly exaggerating the types, scope, and amount of data, and which organizations' data, that he had access to. He started out as a computer contractor for the NSA, but to hear him tell it he apparently had free access to all of the deepest secrets of every single discrete intelligence agency in the country. Not only that, but he was freely able to query all of their databases without arising suspicion.

Compartmentalization is a thing - not even the CIA's top actual agents have access to all of the CIA's top secrets....but IT-monkey Snowden did? Not buying it.
 
I can't of a more tedious thing to listen to.

Can you summarize it in a couple of paragraphs to avoid my having to self torture?
 
Checkmite said:
I am convinced that Edward Snowden is now vastly exaggerating the types, scope, and amount of data, and which organizations' data, that he had access to. He started out as a computer contractor for the NSA, but to hear him tell it he apparently had free access to all of the deepest secrets of every single discrete intelligence agency in the country. Not only that, but he was freely able to query all of their databases without arising suspicion.

Compartmentalization is a thing - not even the CIA's top actual agents have access to all of the CIA's top secrets....but IT-monkey Snowden did? Not buying it.
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Exactly! He's a limited hangout paid to conceal the Area 51 aliens!
 
angrysoba said:
How many dishes do you have in your house that it took you two and a half hours?
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I was thinking, "Been a while since you washed the dishes, eh?"

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I like Joe Rogan okay. He's not a "DudeBro" and I don't know anyone who sees him as some member of the intelligentsia.

I agree that he's someone who's improved over time. His evolution to becoming a stoner was an improvement over how he was pre-weed, too.

He's just...a regular person who gets interviews with a wide variety of kooky people.
 
kellyb said:
I was thinking, "Been a while since you washed the dishes, eh?"

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I like Joe Rogan okay. He's not a "DudeBro" and I don't know anyone who sees him as some member of the intelligentsia.

I agree that he's someone who's improved over time. His evolution to becoming a stoner was an improvement over how he was pre-weed, too.

He's just...a regular person who gets interviews with a wide variety of kooky people.
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On the show the good place, the bad place's punishment punishment for Emily Dickinson was listening to JRE.
 
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