Joe Biden - Obama's Second-Best Choice

[BPSCG]

At a rally in Nashua, N.H., a man in the audience told Biden how glad he was that Obama picked him over Hillary, "not because she's a woman, but because, look at the things she did in the past."

"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America, and quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate, I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate, so let’s get that straight."

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This is the first step.

Step 2: Biden vanishes from the campaign trail for ten days.

Step 3: Biden re-emerges to announce his doctors have discovered a previously-undisclosed medical condition that would make it impossible for him to serve as vice-president, and that he is stepping down.

Step 4: Obama introduces Hillary Clinton as his new running-mate.

Step 5: All the sheep women who flocked to McCain/Palin come back into the Democratic fold. Obama rides a new surge of support to victory in November.

Step 6: Obama found dead in the Oval Office of an apparent heart attack. Three lit cigarettes are found in his mouth, along with a full package's worth of chewed-up Nicorette gum, and six nicotine patches on his arms, another eight on his legs.

Step 7: As a stunned nation mourns, Hillary Rodham Clinton is sworn in as the 45th President of the United States of America. Her first official act: Names Joe Biden Chief Justice of the United States, replacing the recently-deceased John Roberts, who had been killed by a mysterious Chinese lone gunman (who then turned his gun on himself) just a week before.

 

[boloboffin]

And you think John McCain won't be checking the hot cocoa Sarah Palin brings him before beddy-bye each night?

 

[Rob Lister]

Yea, I saw that video on CNN this morning.

Wow.

BTW, I agree with him.

 

[maxpower1227]

This is the first step.

Step 2: Biden vanishes from the campaign trail for ten days.

Step 3: Biden re-emerges to announce his doctors have discovered a previously-undisclosed medical condition that would make it impossible for him to serve as vice-president, and that he is stepping down.

Step 4: Obama introduces Hillary Clinton as his new running-mate.

Step 5: All the sheep women who flocked to McCain/Palin come back into the Democratic fold. Obama rides a new surge of support to victory in November.

Step 6: Obama found dead in the Oval Office of an apparent heart attack. Three lit cigarettes are found in his mouth, along with a full package's worth of chewed-up Nicorette gum, and six nicotine patches on his arms, another eight on his legs.

Step 7: As a stunned nation mourns, Hillary Rodham Clinton is sworn in as the 45th President of the United States of America. Her first official act: Names Joe Biden Chief Justice of the United States, replacing the recently-deceased John Roberts, who had been killed by a mysterious Chinese lone gunman (who then turned his gun on himself) just a week before.

...BAC? Is that you?

 

[leftysergeant]

Stop trying to fool yourselves that the Hillary supporters who are switching to McCain were actual Democrats. They were a false-flag operation. They wanted a Democratic candidate with too many negatives and lukewarm followers.

As for luring women to the McCain/Palin ticket, they certainly have the stupid ones who are married to reasonably successful men who have not been down-sized and out-sourced yet. We had only a marginal chance of flipping them in the first place.

If there are any disaffected, actual Democratic women drifting toward McCain, I think most of them will turn back as they either realize that Palin is an airhead and a thug or, if Palin does not start taking her lumps like any other candidate, that she has nothing to say to real women after all.

 

[Dymanic]

Formally, the role of Vice President is quite limited unless the President dies in office. Informally, the importance of that role depends a lot on what that individual has to offer, and how much the President chooses to utilize it. Obama, who clearly intends to actually rely on his VP as an advisor, chose the candidate he considered best suited to serve with him. It's like picking out a car; it's not a matter of which one is best, but which one is best for you. Obama chose a VP he feels will help him serve as president.

McCain, on the other hand, chose a VP he feels will help him get elected as president. What could he possibly have to learn from someone with so little experience? Palin needn't worry about figuring out what the VP does every day, because in her case it won't amount to much.

 

[ZouPrime]

Non sequitur. The fact that Clinton may be more qualified doesn't mean that Biden is "second-best choice". This assume that qualification is the only metric to evaluate a VP, which is obviously false.

 

[BPSCG]

Stop trying to fool yourselves that the Hillary supporters who are switching to McCain were actual Democrats.

Ah. "No true Scotsman..." etc.

And all those people in Pennsylvania and Ohio and Michigan and Indiana who voted for Reagan weren't Democrats either.

They were a false-flag operation. They wanted a Democratic candidate with too many negatives and lukewarm followers.

As for luring women to the McCain/Palin ticket, they certainly have the stupid ones who are married to reasonably successful men who have not been down-sized and out-sourced yet. We had only a marginal chance of flipping them in the first place.

Ah. More of LS's "Only stoopid people vote for stoopid Republican candidates because they're stoopid," script.

If there are any disaffected, actual Democratic women drifting toward McCain, I think most of them will turn back as they either realize that Palin is an airhead and a thug or, if Palin does not start taking her lumps like any other candidate, that she has nothing to say to real women after all.

I find this confusing. Are you saying Palin isn't a real woman? Or are you saying that women who support McCain/Palin aren't real women? In any case, you have some company:

Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretense that she is a woman.

Anyway, LS, back on-topic: Do you think Biden is right? Do you think Clinton "might have been a better pick" than Biden?

 

[BenBurch]

Hillary staffers tell me she turned the job down.

 

[BPSCG]

Hillary staffers tell me she turned the job down.

Oh.

And you believe them...

 

[Pookster]

Nice play with humility. I thought Biden was an adept campaigner. This is some excellent evidence of it. It could endear him with some Hillary supporters that might be on the fence still.

Palin may be just as adept, but McCain won't let Sarah come out and play, or is picking her playmates very carefully. Maybe he'll let her have a few more dates with the media before long, with a strict curfew of course. Gotta protect Sarah from the bad people.

 

[Pookster]

... back on-topic: Do you think Biden is right? Do you think Clinton "might have been a better pick" than Biden?

She would've been better if you were interested in energizing the base, but Obama has done a pretty good job of that himself. Hillary would've had a tougher time appealing to independents, which is where this election will be won by either Obama or McCain. Polls have long showed that the public, generally, either loves or hates Hillary. This is just as true with women. She would've cost Obama votes at the same time she secured others. Hillary plays well with some blue collar voters, but so does Biden. Biden helps Obama with Pennsylvania. New York was never in doubt. I guess my answer is yes, Hillary would've been a better pick, depending on what you're after in a running mate.

 

[leftysergeant]

Ah. "No true Scotsman..." etc.

And all those people in Pennsylvania and Ohio and Michigan and Indiana who voted for Reagan weren't Democrats either.

Per Abe Lincoln, you can fool some of the people all of the time...You get my drift, if you aren't a total dimmy. A lot of the Clinton supporters were party regulars and feminists. They aren't buying the bimbo. As for those PUMA whackadoodles, they were Republican false-flag operatives. I really can't see a bunch of working-class women hiring white Hummer limos as was reported during the convention. Probably Rushblob fans or Rovebot plants.

I find this confusing. Are you saying Palin isn't a real woman? Or are you saying that women who support McCain/Palin aren't real women?

Palin is a poser. She calls herself a "feminist" with about as much credibility a fox calling himself a henhouse guard. She is a false-flag operative. She has nothing in common with Hillary outside the pelvic area. Her goals, her interests and her whole Weltanschaung have nothing to do with those of women who are not handed everything they need just for being pretty enough to soothe the eye. She does not represent the interests of working women who have to worry about whether or not their husbands will lose their jobs when the companies who run their small towns decide they will make more money moving their factories to China. She doesn't give a rat's if a rape victim has to let a rapist stay on her bones for 9 months. She doesn't care that most women would rather her fundie superstitions arec taught in place of real science in the schools.

There is nothing genuine about the whole McCain/Palin ticket.

 

[BPSCG]

I guess my answer is yes, Hillary would've been a better pick, depending on what you're after in a running mate.

I think Dynamic got it right; there's a difference between who would be the best vice-president and who would be the best vice-presidential candidate. Clinton would probably have been a better candidate, but if you were president, would you want both her and Bill hanging around? Every move you make would have you wondering if Bill was going to second-guess you.

Anyway, it's another example of Biden's logorrhea. He could have praised Clinton in a couple of thousand ways without havig to say she would have been a better choice.

You can buy an Intrade contract betting that he mentions Sarah Palin's hooters at $0.25 this morning.

Okay, kidding with that last one.

You can buy an Intrade contract betting that he's withdrawn as VP candidate at $0.096 this morning.

Not kidding.

 

[BPSCG]

You get my drift, if you aren't a total dimmy.

Well, being a Republican, I must be, right?

A lot of the Clinton supporters were party regulars and feminists. They aren't buying the bimbo. As for those PUMA whackadoodles, they were Republican false-flag operatives. I really can't see a bunch of working-class women hiring white Hummer limos as was reported during the convention. Probably Rushblob fans or Rovebot plants. Palin is a poser. She calls herself a "feminist" with about as much credibility a fox calling himself a henhouse guard. She is a false-flag operative. She has nothing in common with Hillary outside the pelvic area. Her goals, her interests and her whole Weltanschaung have nothing to do with those of women who are not handed everything they need just for being pretty enough to soothe the eye. She does not represent the interests of working women who have to worry about whether or not their husbands will lose their jobs when the companies who run their small towns decide they will make more money moving their factories to China. She doesn't give a rat's if a rape victim has to let a rapist stay on her bones for 9 months. She doesn't care that most women would rather her fundie superstitions arec taught in place of real science in the schools. There is nothing genuine about the whole McCain/Palin ticket.

Fixed it for you.

Now, back on-topic: Do you think Biden is right? Do you think Clinton "might have been a better pick" than Biden?

 

[DavidJames]

In one way Joe's right. If Hillary was the VP selection, I doubt Mc would have picked Palin. He probably would have gone macho and the entire tone of the campaign would have changed. The RR would be talking about women and working moms belonging in the kitchen and the subtleties (or not so subtle) of showing the weakness of women (as opposed to the strength of old white men) would be in the undercurrent of the Republican message.

For the country....I think Joe is a better choice.

 

[Brainster]

An additional data point: Shares of Joe Biden dropping out are now on the front page at InTrade, while shares of Palin dropping out aren't.