JIM DUNN, Hospital Angel

Ashles

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I nominate KRAMER for the JREF prize as he states:
It's a few days before Xmas 2005, and this just came in...
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If he can predict future applications then surely the money is his.:)

But seriously one of things I enjoy most about this site is watching KRAMER respond to applicants in perfectly reasonably ways which they don't seem to expect.

For example Paul Carey - "Okay here's the date bring your own receiver" (Alright, I know this was more the Irish Skeptics but Carey clearly was utterly thrown by this)
Or offering Achau Nguyen "one list".

It's amazing, simply amazing (or not) how the claims dissolve after these offers.

I predict KRAMER's simple request for information from Jim Dunn will see an interesting disappearrance from this claimant.
($1 million can be paid to me via the usual Swiss bank account).
 
He dug himself a hole he didn't need to. Since, if I'm remembering the rules, all he had to do was state the claim, not provide anecdotal evidence.
 
But will the claim be rejected, if he cannot answer these questions?

After all, its nearly 30 years since then, so the excuse "i do not remeber", could be reasonable.

What i think is more interesting, is how likely the claimed event can happen by chance?

As far as i understood, he claims that those who are prior to friday midnight in hospital survive at least till sunday midnight, people coming in after friday midnight are not part of the claim.

Also i'm curious what the explanation will be, why he cannot do it with animals(i expect that, because with animals testing would be more reliable, though not neccessary easier, e.g. let a bee sting something and claimant tries to keep it alive afterwards for 10 hours, success demonstrated by bee still trying to move).

Carn
 
Depending where they are, it's been my experience that many hospitals have a low mortality rate. So it could have been a coincidence or chance that no one died.

Maybe they should name a hospice.
 
I'd want to see him do it in 5 hospitals in 5 major metropolitan areas on 5 different weekends myself.
 
CptColumbo said:
Depending where they are, it's been my experience that many hospitals have a low mortality rate. So it could have been a coincidence or chance that no one died.

Maybe they should name a hospice.
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I understood!

He will want to be tested with a homeopathic "clinic"!

They send the patients away anyway, when things get critical and real med is needed, so they do not die in that hospital.

Carn
 
Carn said:
But will the claim be rejected, if he cannot answer these questions?

After all, its nearly 30 years since then, so the excuse "i do not remeber", could be reasonable.
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It's reasonable that he couldn't remember the occasion and place that he defeated death, multiple times at once?

Well, I suppose it's reasonable, if something even more exciting happened soon after, so that all thought of this minor victory were driven from his mind. I wonder what that could have been? What could have been more dramatic and important than giving several people two days more of life, through means heretofore only attributed to God, Himself?
 
I wonder what the average number of deaths per day is at the hospital named by Kramer for the test, and how often there are no deaths in a day. I'm kind of surprised tha applicant didn't ask the same question - stopping an average of 100 deaths a day is rather different than an average of 1. But then, he probably really believes he has the skill.
 
I had a dream last night, a applicant to the JREF backed out, but didn't just say "I don't want to do it." He kept changing the subject and claiming other powers.

Could he reapply in a year at the two day level?
 
I'd like to see him do his psychic thing at King/Drew Medical Center in Los Angeles, a not-so-good hospital in a not-so-good neighborhood. Just for the challenge of it.
 
I have no idea...

roger said:
I wonder what the average number of deaths per day is at the hospital named by Kramer for the test, and how often there are no deaths in a day.
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I have no clue as to how many deaths per day happen (on average) at Aventura Hospital. I've blinded myself to that data, and if it were offered to me, I'd steadfastly refuse it.

The applicant asked for a hospital that the "monitor has physically walked into", so, of the 3 hospitals my mother has been to in Broward and Dade counties, I chose the one in which I did NOT see anyone wheeled out on a gurney with a sheet over them. My mother was in Intensive Care in all three, as well.

I want this guy to win the million. And I want him to do it over the holidays so that no family has to suffer the loss of a loved one during what is supposed to be the most joyfull time of the year.

I also want... "Peace On Earth, Purity of Essence, and the preservation of our Precious Bodily Fluids."
- General Jack D. Ripper (DR. STRANGELOVE)
 
DEAR ABBY...

CptColumbo said:
Depending where they are, it's been my experience that many hospitals have a low mortality rate. So it could have been a coincidence or chance that no one died.
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Or it could be that this never happened. Read his latest emails to me. He "can't recall" the dates.

The "newspaper" in which the story was to have appeared was a tabloid rag, and even THEY refused to print it, if we can believe any of this.

I'm sorry, but in the world of psychic phenomenon investigations,
saying "I can't recall", is akin to saying "I refuse to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate me".

We asked for evidence that might render his claim something other than anecdotal. I made the call to the alleged journalist, but got only an automated voicemail response. I left a message.

I wish ASHLES was correct in his prediction, but this applicant's emails are growing in frequency, if not in relevance.

Sending me notes on his dreams - Yeesh. Who am I?
Ann Landers?
 
Uh-Oh ...

Dunn has just agreed to 96 hours from Thursday thru Sunday midnight, over this coming Xmas 2004 weekend.

Wouldn't it be lovely if he was the first person ever to pass preliminary testing?
 
I should have known...

Well, my contact with the hospital was not what I would call positive.

Although the first administrator I spoke with was very accomodating, she put me on hold, and after a few minutes,
a new voice arrived with a much less receptive tone.

"We do not entertain such requests, and we do not involve ourselves with matters such as these. It is against our policy."

I'm writing a letter and faxing it to the head administrator tomorrow morning.

We'll see, I guess.
 
SkepticScott said:
I hope he passes the preliminary test, despite JREF's PR loss of not being able to say "no one has passed the preliminary test'. Not having people die is generally a good thing.
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What about the people that Dunn may be sentencing to an extra 96 hours of gratuitous agony, before their deaths? Death is not necessarilly a bad thing, and I can imagine more than one circumstance where I would prefer to be released from life.

Death is not the enemy that dying is. If Dunn wants to do those people a favor, he should ease their dying, not prolong it.

Which brings up the question: What kind of person would prolong someone's death from, say, cancer by four days, just so he can collect a lot of money?

This isn't funny, guys. Unlike Kramer, I don't hope this stunt will work; I fear it.
 
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KRAMER said:
Well, my contact with the hospital was not what I would call positive.

Although the first administrator I spoke with was very accomodating, she put me on hold, and after a few minutes,
a new voice arrived with a much less receptive tone.

"We do not entertain such requests, and we do not involve ourselves with matters such as these. It is against our policy."

I'm writing a letter and faxing it to the head administrator tomorrow morning.

We'll see, I guess.
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This is the first part of your job which I have heard of that I do not envy, KRAMER. This has all the potential to sound like an overly morbid request. "Hello! Could you keep track of the number of people who die this Christmas and let me know, please?"

I'm sure you put it more diplomatically than that, but chances are the first person you talked to did not when she relayed your request to the second person.

Would there be a different way of getting the information? Aren't death certificates public information?
 
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