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Jewish Holocaust Skeptic Resurfaces After 15 Years

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David Cole is a Jew who made a skeptical documentary about Auschwitz in 1992. He appeared on the Donahue and Montel Williams shows amongst others and was making ground with his revisionist arguments. Then he received repeated death threats from the JDL (Jewish Defense League) issued an apology and disappeared. Yes, he received death threats for simply applying skepticism and critical thinking to a historical subject.
Now he has reappeared. It turns out that he was making holocaust propaganda documentaries under the name of David Stein. He claims his skeptical views on the holocaust haven't changed he made these docos to give people what they asked for. His recantation of earlier years wasn't genuine and only came about because of death threats. There is no news yet as to whether he will take up revisionist activism again.
http://codoh.com/news/3037
For those who think that JDL death threats aren't serious see here -
www.ihr.org/books/ztn.html
 
Mondial said:
David Cole is a Jew who made a skeptical documentary about Auschwitz in 1992. He appeared on the Donahue and Montel Williams shows amongst others and was making ground with his revisionist arguments. Then he received repeated death threats from the JDL (Jewish Defense League) issued an apology and disappeared. Yes, he received death threats for simply applying skepticism and critical thinking to a historical subject.
Now he has reappeared. It turns out that he was making holocaust propaganda documentaries under the name of David Stein. He claims his skeptical views on the holocaust haven't changed he made these docos to give people what they asked for. His recantation of earlier years wasn't genuine and only came about because of death threats. There is no news yet as to whether he will take up revisionist activism again.
http://codoh.com/news/3037
For those who think that JDL death threats aren't serious see here -
www.ihr.org/books/ztn.html
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If he is alleging any kind of conspiracy, this is the wrong subforum for this garbage.
 
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AdMan said:
If he is alleging any kind of conspiracy, this is the wrong subforum for this garbage.
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Being persecuted for holding an opinion is a social issue. His revisionist activism is in the past but he is making a reappearance in the present. Therefore Social Issues & Current Events is the right forum.
 
Mondial said:
Being persecuted for holding an opinion is a social issue. His revisionist activism is in the past but he is making a reappearance in the present. Therefore Social Issues & Current Events is the right forum.
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Being told that your "opinion" (A statement of fact is not an opinion. A knowingly false statement of fact is a lie.) is stupid and wrong is not persecution.

Claiming that the holocaust did not happen is not an opinion.
 
"holocost denier dive in muck 15 years long. Resurface today."

"holocost denier tell his tales : "my 15 years dive of my own head in my arse""

Maybe I can sell the headlines to the daily fail ?
 
That's sad. I'd hoped Davie could have continued his santorum slurping for a while longer before being outed. The longer he continued, the more holocaust deniers would have been outed by his eventual exposure.
 
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More news on the story here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/03/david-stein-cole-holocaust-revisionist

"To those who knew him, or thought they knew him, he was a cerebral, fun-loving gadfly who hosted boozy gatherings for Hollywood's political conservatives. David Stein brought right-wing congressmen, celebrities, writers and entertainment industry figures together for shindigs, closed to outsiders, where they could scorn liberals and proclaim their true beliefs.......There was just one problem. Stein was not who he claimed. His real name can be revealed for the first time publicly – a close circle of confidants only found out the truth recently – as David Cole. And under that name he was once a reviled Holocaust revisionist who questioned the existence of Nazi gas chambers. He changed identities in January 1998."
 
So he didn't actually "resurface" so much as he was scraped off the bottom and dumped onto the deck and identified as the bottom-feeder he really is.
 
I'd wondered what happened to that douche. The last anybody had heard of Cole, he'd sent a tersely-worded mea culpa letter extolling the virtues of Irv Rubin and the JDL, and then he disappeared.
 
Threatening someone over being an ******* is unacceptable.

Turning your back on said ******* and refusing to associate with them is perfectly acceptable and I'd say the preferred course of action.

Everytime this subject comes up I can't help but think of the notion that there are folks in the current world working overtime to clear the good name of Adolph Hitler...and they wonder why the only people who listen to them are the ones that believe Adolph Hitler had a good name in the first place.
 
I wasn't aware David Cole was working overtime to clear the good name of Adolf Hitler, but if you say so, I will accept your version of history.
 
Simon666 said:
I wasn't aware David Cole was working overtime to clear the good name of Adolf Hitler, but if you say so, I will accept your version of history.
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You kinda make a point. Arguing that his leadership got 5 million Jews killed instead of 6 million isn't exactly "clearing his name."

Still, holocaust deniers like to chip away at the historical record with cherry picked anomalies. The ones I've talked to generally assert that if you can bring one small claim into question then the ENTIRE historical record should be discarded. When they focus on gas chambers they rely upon incompetently done tests and a fundamental misunderstanding of the toxicity of cyanide gas. One wonders if they're deliberately lying or just incapable of remedial comprehension of science.

The other "gotya" I've seen Holocaust deniers rely upon is the lampshade supposedly made from human skin, and soap made from human fat. The evidence for the human skin lampshade is sketchy at best and there probably wasn't any soap made from human fat. That, however, is used as "proof" that the entire Holocaust was a fabrication. It's a bit like saying "Well, Bill Clinton lied about getting a hummer from Monica, so he MUST have personally murdered Vince Foster with a dull spoon while Hillary filmed the deed for later use in a home made pornography video."
 
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The other "gotya" I've seen Holocaust deniers rely upon is the lampshade supposedly made from human skin, and soap made from human fat. The evidence for the human skin lampshade is sketchy at best and there probably wasn't any soap made from human fat. That, however, is used as "proof" that the entire Holocaust was a fabrication. It's a bit like saying "Well, Bill Clinton lied about getting a hummer from Monica, so he MUST have personally murdered Vince Foster with a dull spoon while Hillary filmed the deed for later use in a home made pornography video."
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It has been pointed out to me by another member on this forum that I should try to avoid being discredited on the principle of falsus in uno falsus in omnibus regarding my Holocaust posts. I suppose if I am held to that standard, that should go vice versa as well regarding lampshades and soap.
 
Simon666 said:
It has been pointed out to me by another member on this forum that I should try to avoid being discredited on the principle of falsus in uno falsus in omnibus regarding my Holocaust posts. I suppose if I am held to that standard, that should go vice versa as well regarding lampshades and soap.
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Exactly. Insisting the Holocaust never happened because the human fat soap was probably an urban legend is a bit like insisting Hitler never had political power in Germany without proof he really WAS impotent as a result of a WWI injury.

"I will continue to reject the claim that Hitler ever gave a General an order unless you can prove beyond ALL doubt that he really WAS a scat freak as the FBI file on him claims!"
 
Holocaust denial is just one more form of flying in the face of the hard facts and refusing to cope with the reality the Nazis and Adolf Hitler were a bunch of mass murderers.
 
Mondial said:
Here is what David Cole (aka David Stein) has to say about his current situation in his own words - www.countercontempt.com/archives/4775
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Me thinks he doth protest to much.

To begin with, what I said 20 years ago is either right or wrong. If I erred, I’ll cop to it.
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As you are no longer saying I assume it is wrong and you haven't coped to it you just tried to hide from it.

But admitting an error and apologizing for it are two completely different things.
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You have done neither.


If a mathematician gets an equation wrong, he’s not expected to fall all over himself apologizing.
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As long as we are discussing how things are different equations and holocaust denial are not the same thing. Millions of people didn't die when someone forgot to carry the remainder.

He’s only expected to recognize the error and learn from it.
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Lets add this to the list of things you haven't done.
1. Admit a mistake
2. Apologize
3. Learn from it

You don’t write history books by yelling names at people. Trying to convince a historian he’s erred by yelling “racist” is like trying to bake a cake by screaming “YOU STUPID CAKE.” It’s just not how these things work.
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Trying to convince a revisionist historian of anything is pointless.
 
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