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In a fit of intellectual masochism, I've been reading Spooked911's blog again.

He has come to the absurd conclusion that the north wall of WTC1, all 1300 feet of it, was reduced to molecular or atomic consistency by Judy "Scholars for Tooth" Woods death star beam.

WHERE THE HELL DID ALL THAT STEEL GO????????

It is, for all intents and purposes, the steel of the north wall is GONE.

The only conceivable explanation is that, indeed, some high-energy weapon disintegrated the steel as it fell, at the same time making huge holes in WTC6.
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In the spirit of the "speed of gravity" thread, I'm daring to ask the questions that even Spooked is afraid of.

How much does all that steel and aluminum weigh?

How much energy would it take to convert just the north wall of WTC1 into iron, carbon and aluminum gas in the space of just a few seconds?

What would be the approximate effect on lower Manhattan of the sudden conversion of that much steel and aluminum into a gas right in the middle of the financial district (for simplicitys sake, feel free to assume heat and blast effects only, ignore radiation)?

My gut says the effects would be similar to a airburst nuke in the sub-Hiroshima range just for the one WTC wall.

I'm just asking questions, here. ;)
 
He's got another post with similar arguments here.

Note, the beam weapon was almost certainly not a "laser" but rather a microwave weapon with particular affinity for concrete and steel. The idea is that the beam (or beams) vibrated at the proper frequency to blow apart steel and concrete and turn them into fine dust.
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Now, where have I heard that before? There's nothing new under the sun....
 
The specific heat of steel/iron is about 452. Aluminunm is 900. That's J/kg/deg-C

Steel's boiling point is ~3000 degC
Aluminum's boiling point is ~2500 degC

That works out to 1.3MJ per kg for steel, and 2.2MJ per kg of aluminum.

Guesstimate some masses, and off you go.

(I've ignored the energy required to actually cause the phase change. Probably need to round-up your answer for that).




Of course, you haven't really settled the issue of what all this steel and aluminum gas is gonna do once it condenses shortly after raining molten steel and aluminum which will freeze (ha ha) into a hail of steel and aluminum filings. Both will readily oxidize, too. Iron oxide and aluminum filings, together, could create a thermite reaction.

It would be a molten metal, fiery hailstorm of doom. Quite the show.
 
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Anti-sophist said:
Of course, you haven't really settled the issue of what all this steel and aluminum gas is gonna do once it condenses shortly after raining molten steel and aluminum which will freeze (ha ha) into a hail of steel and aluminum filings.
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Not to mention what such a rain of molten droplets would do to any of the people in the way.
 
If it could be super-heated to some sort of quark-gluon plasma, it wouldn't condense back into a metal when cooled, though. It would just form mostly harmless hydrogen atoms which would float off into the atmosphere quite undetected.
 
Loss Leader said:
If it could be super-heated to some sort of quark-gluon plasma, it wouldn't condense back into a metal when cooled, though. It would just form mostly harmless hydrogen atoms which would float off into the atmosphere quite undetected.
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But since even a "normal" electron-nucleus plasma already pretty damn hot, this just makes things worse.

What's the binding energy of an iron nucleus? I know it's the most tightly bound, so this would be just exactly the worst-case senario for this.

And that's assuming the super-heated cloud of iron&whatnot stays in the beam long enough to be rendered down to quarks and gluons.
 
Anti-sophist said:
Of course, you haven't really settled the issue of what all this steel and aluminum gas is gonna do once it condenses shortly after raining molten steel and aluminum which will freeze (ha ha) into a hail of steel and aluminum filings. Both will readily oxidize, too. Iron oxide and aluminum filings, together, could create a thermite reaction.

It would be a molten metal, fiery hailstorm of doom. Quite the show.
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I've been remembering working with aluminum back in school. I used to evapourate it in a vacuum to form mirrors for some optical experiments, and to form contact films on some samples.

Even just a little bit could coat the inside of the bell jar I was using in an opaque reflective layer. Imagine every building in Manhatten with a brand new iron and aluminum mirror coating!
 
Did any of you watch that episode of Mythbusters where they tested Nikolai Tesla's "earthquake machine"?

Has any of the woos suggested one of those brought down the WTC yet? Well, if not, consider this an attempt at a preemptive conspiracy theory strike. But then again, you'd expect that from the NWO.
 
I will reiterate my earlier conclusion RE beam weapons.

Any beam weapon capable of delivering the amount of energy claimed by CTers in the amount of time the towers fell would have been blindingly (pun intended) obvious to anyone in the area, as the beam would have affected everything in it's path, including the air, creating a huge ionization trail that would have an effect just like the world's largest ever lightning bolt. The expansion of super-heated air would have created a concussion wave from the point of impact, and a vacuum effect when the beam stopped and the air rushed back in (along with a huge thunderslap that would have blown the eardrums of anyone within several blocks). Such a weapon would also represent at least 100 years of technical advancement over current ability.

Even assuming super-sekrit-laws-of-physics-are-more-like-suggested-practices-of-reality-guidable-targettable-tuneable-microwave-lasers-of-ultimate-doom that preferrentially affect concrete and steel, the sidewalks, cars, rescue vehicles and equipment, sidewalks, tooth filings, pacemakers, foundations, subway tunnels, etc would have been damaged as well (because it doesn't affect earth, this means that it passes through the dirt and affects the concrete of the subway tunnel. A substance can only block a beam by reflection or absorption...reflection would have caused damage to everything nearby, absorption is what you want it to do to steel and concrete and would have left a huge crater. So it has to be transparent to this mythical Ultra-beam-stellar-converter-Antarean-cannon-o'-destruction).
 
This is what I think of when I hear twooofers talk about the metal of the WTC being "evaporated" as the buildings collapsed.

Solid materials take up alot less space than thier gaseous forms. If large portions of the WTC were heated to thier vaporization point by directed energy weapons, the superheated gasses would start to expand quite rapidly to fill up thier new volume. It would be distinctly unpleasant for anyone nearby.

The above clip shouldn't be far off from what would occur under TS$1.98 and Spooked's scenario.
 
Horatius said:
But since even a "normal" electron-nucleus plasma already pretty damn hot, this just makes things worse.

What's the binding energy of an iron nucleus? I know it's the most tightly bound, so this would be just exactly the worst-case senario for this.
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Considering that the only way that a star can fuse iron is by going supernova, I don't think there would be much left of NYC if such an reaction took place...
 
mortimer said:
Maybe YOUR current ability, but we're talking about GWB's gubmint forces here!
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That's what I'm saying. IF they're that far ahead of the norm, then:

1. Give up and accept the official story, because it doesn't matter anyway.
2. The conspiracy is even larger, as they must have all these great scientists working on this stuff and none has leaked even a hint of it.
3. We should not be losing any war, anywhere.
4. These are the best hidden weapons/technologies out there, considering you can purchase a telescope relatively inexpensively that can resolve satellites...and no one found this super beam weapon (even the places that track orbital debris, down to the inch-diameter size, using radar and similar techniques).
 
They used harmonic magnetic frequencies to contain the plasma formed by the death ray.

It's true, I saw it in Spider-man 2.
 
JamesB said:
They used harmonic magnetic frequencies to contain the plasma formed by the death ray.

It's true, I saw it in Spider-man 2.
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Spiderman 3 may 7th 2007.

Spiderman fights starwarz weapons. MJ evaporates.
 
Huntsman said:
as the beam would have affected everything in it's path, including the air, creating a huge ionization trail that would have an effect just like the world's largest ever lightning bolt.
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See, I don't think this is necessarily true. Like Archimedes' Death Ray, the beam could have a focal point right at the towers, so that air between the beam and the towers would not be affected. Bear in mind that I have no idea what I'm talking about.
 
Darth Vader and Yoda did it with the force. That's what happens when the dark side and the light side combine.

-Gumboot
 
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