It's the final countdown: 28K has cracked the case!

[Firestone]

28th Kingdom has again posted his ultimate smoking gun on LCF.

His previous attempt was for some reason promptly deleted, so, because I really luve him and don't want his efforts to be waisted again, I will post his ultimate smoking gun here.

Maybe, just maybe, one of the smart guys here can debunk it.
But I doubt it, the game seems to be up.

Hey,

Here is a piece of undeniable visual evidence, that explosives were used on the Twin Towers...

In this video, you can clearly see that debris started shooting out of the sides of the towers before the upper mass even began to fall...

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I AGREE

When watching this at normal speeds... I think what misleads our eyes... is the fact that the first ring of "material," appears to be smoke gushing out of the impact floors after the upper mass begins to fall. But, when slowed down... what we find out is that this isn't smoke at all... but rather crushed concrete that is being ejected out the sides, before the upper mass even begins to move.

NIST says that the kinetic energy released from the falling upper mass, is what contributed to the failure of the lower floors.... but, of course... we all know that kinetic energy is only present in a moving object, and thus... if the upper mass has yet to move... there is no kinetic energy... so what energy or force is crushing the concrete inside the tower, and then ejecting it out the sides?

And, please don't say the upper mass shot a laser out of its a$$, because we've all heard that one before.

Who dares take him on?

 

[uk_dave]

28th Kingdom has again posted his ultimate smoking gun on LCF.

His previous attempt was promptly deleted, so, because I really luve him and don't want his efforts to be waisted again, I will post his ultimate smoking gun here.

Maybe, just maybe, one of the smart guys here can debunk it.
But I doubt it, the game seems to be up.



Who dares take him on?

Well I was gonna say that "the upper mass shot a laser out of its a$$" but I see I can't...so I concede.

Games up.

(sighs)

 

[Ratatoskr]

This is the reason I don't want to become a physics teacher. I'm afraid I might encounter a student who, no matter what you tell him, no matter what you make him read, he will always see things a little bit.. different.

And when I say "see things" I mean "blinded by his own ignorance"

 

[uk_dave]

I'm sorry, I just watched the 'smoking gun' and all I can see it the top of the building crashing down upon the storeys below....what am I missing?

 

[Angry Skeptic]

Is this guy still around? It was my understanding that Darwin concluded species with weakness, like, I don't know, let's say, defunctional brain, would be weeded out so their seed would not pollute the gene pool.

Okay... where does one start...

"Undeniable visual evidence..."

Okay, that is opinion, you are drawing the conclusion for the observer rather than presenting the facts.

The video is not of super high quality, so for you to state that anything is clear is an overstatement. That said, what is your evidence that is was debris, and NOT smoke? I would watch and say that is inconclusive. Besides, I would say from a pure common sense standpoint, the movement of the so called "material" is not consistant with any type of explosion.

Here is your big problem... let's for a moment assume (for your benefit) that there were explosives that brought the building down. You have to make yet another assumption:

a) The explosives were placed on load bearing parts of the floor. Essentially, if I am correct, you have to destroy the structures that are holding up the floors above.

Problem here. Do you understand how the WTC towers were constructed? There is a fact that often gets overlooked. Let's make another out there assumption, for the CTs sake:

b) Let's assume the video is in fact showing what you say it is. If that is the case, the "material" blowing out of the sides is consistant with a typical CD in a building with load bearing columns.

Ooops. What's that you say? The towers were build with an exterior load bearing superstructure? Uh oh... then the way to bring it down is not blowing the non-existant columns on the floors, but rather blowing up the exterior walls... but the video clearly doesn't show that.

Wow. Even with two very liberal assumptions, it still doesn't hold water.

Please don't breed.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

But, when slowed down... what we find out is that this isn't smoke at all... but rather crushed concrete that is being ejected out the sides, before the upper mass even begins to move.

How can he tell? He doesn't explain the difference...

 

[Loss Leader]

But, when slowed down... what we find out is that this isn't smoke at all... but rather crushed concrete that is being ejected out the sides, before the upper mass even begins to move.

(emphasis added)

Okay, here's my debunking: There is no reason to believe 28K because he does not have x-ray vision. Unless I am badly mistaken, the Twin Towers were opaque. One could not see through them even on the best of days. Therefore, 28K can't say that the smoke or debris or whatever is ejected before the collapse. All he can say is that the smoke or debris or whatever is ejected before the collapse becomes apparant from the outside.

Now, anyone who spends eight seconds studying the WTC knows that the collapse proceded from the inside out. The core failed and pulled the building in and down on itself. As such, the outside of the building is the last place you would want to be to observe exactly when the collapse began.

Absent x-ray vision, If he wanted to make his case with certainty 28K should have been inside the towers. I mean it. He should have been inside the towers during the collapse.

 

[Pipirr]

Yeah, I got nothing. I just woke up. Just then. Thank you 28K.

 

[bonavada]

the simple fact of it is that the collapse originates at or about the point of impact of the aircraft. 28th Klingdom ignores the unfeasibility of any type of controlled explosions taking place in that area.
story, end of........

BV

 

[gumboot]

This is old. 28K brought this up when he was "discussing" here.

I've decided I'm going to get a Masters in Science and my thesis will be to refute Darwin's theory of evolution. My only piece of evidence will be members of the Truth Movement, who, in defiance of all laws of natural selection, are alive.

-Gumboot

 

[MG1962]

I've decided I'm going to get a Masters in Science and my thesis will be to refute Darwin's theory of evolution. My only piece of evidence will be members of the Truth Movement, who, in defiance of all laws of natural selection, are alive.

OMG that has to be one of the funniest things I have ever read. Are the nominations for best debunker quote still open??????

And ya never know, you might be able to prove that stupidity is a survival technique

 

[Ratatoskr]

This is old. 28K brought this up when he was "discussing" here.

I've decided I'm going to get a Masters in Science and my thesis will be to refute Darwin's theory of evolution. My only piece of evidence will be members of the Truth Movement, who, in defiance of all laws of natural selection, are alive.

-Gumboot

I have a similar plan for a Masters in Physics: Solving the worlds energy-problems by using Darwin's spinning corpse as a generator fueled by the stupidity of the LC crowd.

 

[Horatius]

Well I was gonna say that "the upper mass shot a laser out of its a$$" but I see I can't...so I concede.

Games up.

(sighs)

Hey hey hey now! I think we've abandonned the a$$ laser theory far too easily! The only real problem with it is figuring out where the a$$ was on the building....

 

[The_Fire]

This is old. 28K brought this up when he was "discussing" here.

I've decided I'm going to get a Masters in Science and my thesis will be to refute Darwin's theory of evolution. My only piece of evidence will be members of the Truth Movement, who, in defiance of all laws of natural selection, are alive.

-Gumboot

I went ahead and pushed a certain button for the first time on this board....In other words:
Nominated!

 

[The_Fire]

I have a similar plan for a Masters in Physics: Solving the worlds energy-problems by using Darwin's spinning corpse as a generator fueled by the stupidity of the LC crowd.

Oh so THATS what that sound were!

 

[ConspiRaider]

NIST says that the kinetic energy released from the falling upper mass, is what contributed to the failure of the lower floors.... but, of course... we all know that kinetic energy is only present in a moving object, and thus... if the upper mass has yet to move... there is no kinetic energy... so what energy or force is crushing the concrete inside the tower, and then ejecting it out the sides?

(bolding mine)

Hi 28IQ in abstentia. The game is up, you win. This is called Bite-Yank-Spit energy.

That Jonesy teach guy almost had it right when he said: Thermite. Just one letter off. He should have said: Termite.

When you join the NWO it's just like anything else. You're a boot, a rookie, a cherry, a "new guy". In the Navy they send you to kitchen duty - the mess decks - for 3 months. When I arrived at NWO boot camp they sent me to the WWWWW (Woo Woo Wood Weaning Workgroup). That's right. I was a Weaner.

Termites typically feast on wood - but they can be weaned from it to dine on something else. That's all we did with those little buggers all day. Turned 'em into concrete chompers. It's sleight-of-hand. You show them the knotty pine, do your patter, and then just as they open their jaws - you shove the concrete in their faces just like Jimmy Cagney did with that grapefruit.

Anyway that's what was going on there at the WTCs, starting with Bldg 2. All the termites in the building were trained to look out the windows when the plane hit and look for the Go Signal. At some point a big wooden elephant hologram was projected into the sky (in ultraviolet light so only the little buggers could see it) and the termites each took a mouthful of concrete. Simultaneously, they yanked the mouthful loose and spit it out the windows. Which basically caused structure failure.

Happy? My publisher had 10,000 copies of the book pre-ordered in advance sales.

 

[Mancman]

(emphasis added)

Okay, here's my debunking: There is no reason to believe 28K because he does not have x-ray vision. Unless I am badly mistaken, the Twin Towers were opaque. One could not see through them even on the best of days. Therefore, 28K can't say that the smoke or debris or whatever is ejected before the collapse. All he can say is that the smoke or debris or whatever is ejected before the collapse becomes apparant from the outside.

Now, anyone who spends eight seconds studying the WTC knows that the collapse proceded from the inside out. The core failed and pulled the building in and down on itself. As such, the outside of the building is the last place you would want to be to observe exactly when the collapse began.

Absent x-ray vision, If he wanted to make his case with certainty 28K should have been inside the towers. I mean it. He should have been inside the towers during the collapse.

I thought it was well established and accepted that the collapse did in fact initiate on the 'outside' of the building when the bowing columns failed, which then caused the core to fail via transferring of the unsupported load.

 

[LashL]

(bolding mine)

Hi 28IQ in abstentia. The game is up, you win. This is called Bite-Yank-Spit energy.

That Jonesy teach guy almost had it right when he said: Thermite. Just one letter off. He should have said: Termite.

When you join the NWO it's just like anything else. You're a boot, a rookie, a cherry, a "new guy". In the Navy they send you to kitchen duty - the mess decks - for 3 months. When I arrived at NWO boot camp they sent me to the WWWWW (Woo Woo Wood Weaning Workgroup). That's right. I was a Weaner.

Termites typically feast on wood - but they can be weaned from it to dine on something else. That's all we did with those little buggers all day. Turned 'em into concrete chompers. It's sleight-of-hand. You show them the knotty pine, do your patter, and then just as they open their jaws - you shove the concrete in their faces just like Jimmy Cagney did with that grapefruit.

Anyway that's what was going on there at the WTCs, starting with Bldg 2. All the termites in the building were trained to look out the windows when the plane hit and look for the Go Signal. At some point a big wooden elephant hologram was projected into the sky (in ultraviolet light so only the little buggers could see it) and the termites each took a mouthful of concrete. Simultaneously, they yanked the mouthful loose and spit it out the windows. Which basically caused structure failure.

Happy? My publisher had 10,000 copies of the book pre-ordered in advance sales.

Three laughing dogs' worth, that!

 

[Loss Leader]

I thought it was well established and accepted that the collapse did in fact initiate on the 'outside' of the building when the bowing columns failed, which then caused the core to fail via transferring of the unsupported load.

Yeah, Gravy corrected me by PM. I'm still not 100% sure I understand it but he assured me that this did not change the fact that the physics of the collapse made 28K's explanation impossible.

 

[Stellafane]

C'mon guys, we may as well admit it -- 28th finally nailed us. I was afraid this would happen sooner or later. We kept 3 million people quiet and pulled off a conspiracy so vast and convoluted that in retrospect we'd have been better off listening to our old buddy Osama and just let Al Queada do it. But it all seemed so deliciously evil at the time, and Condoleezza can just be so persuasive when she starts batting those big brown eyes at you...

Where was I? Oh yeah, those blurs in the video. I told them sooner or later some socially-arrested kid in his mom's basement would blow the cover off everything. One million structural engineers, no sweat. But a dedicated freedom fighter like 28th, well, now you're talking a real adversary.

It's over. We did it. Time to pay off Silverstein and go off into exhile with the rest of the Bohemian Grove crew. Well, at least they haven't found out we fixed this year's AFC Championship game yet (you owe me bigtime Peyton)...