Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: It's NOT the 'end times'!
Iamme said:
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To each his own, I guess. But if one is even to consider that there is a God, one is going to make certain presumptions as to how God operates and why. Anyone who believes in any god believes that a god is more than some force. A god has to be a force with a 'brain' (even though perhaps we can't fathom it's/his brain), otherwise this God (force only) would not warrant being worshipped or obeyed. If we can agree on that I will move onto say this:
From this point of one's belief, one must try to assume what they believe God's intent is for the creation...if indeed there was an intent. If you believe there was no intent, then chances are good that no god did the creating in the first place.
I disagee. I see no reason why God could not have created all this with no particular human-based intent in mind. Furthermore, it is possible that God created the whole universe with the intent of watching something that is occuring a million light-years away from earth - perhaps there is some civilization or something over there attracting God's attention and we here on earth are a by-product of the creation - we might be of no interest at all to this universe-creating Being.
If a person builds a house and ants move in under the sink, the ants might say, "the house-creator has built everything for us - surely the house-creator must love us very, very much to create such a perfect formocentric world." And yet, the house-creator has no special interest at all in ants and may wipe them out accidentally or on purpose at any moment.
Iamme said:
But let's assume there was intent. Now...what might youassume?: That God made man just so he could destroy and punish him for not doing what the all omniscient God already knew that man would not do? (Would that make sense?) Or, could one assume, more logically, that this powerful God, as powerful as it appears he/it is, still may have to create in order to fulfill something...if nothing more than creating is what God does.
It's quite illogical to imagine a God creating so that he can destroy.
No it is not illogical at all. Hindus believe that destruction is a necessary part of the divine cycle of life - creation, life, destruction, rebirth. Their religion allows for divine beings to destroy things on small and large scales.
Iamme said:
The all obniscient God then would be admitting that it/he was not all obniscient then. That he/it should have known in advance what was going to go wrong. Therefore it's more logical that as much as God knows, that God *doesn't* know what is going to happen in his plan of an all expanding endless universe where everything in it is alowed to gradually change. And since we have evidence of this, wouldn't it be logical to asume that God would allow creation to continue to change and create, as opposed to destroying it for no real logical reason other than to 'pull the plug'?
No, it is not logical to assume that. For that assumption to be valid, one would need to provide (at the very least) evidence that God is logical. What evidence do you have that God should be logical?
Even if God were logical and created all this for a reason, we could still be just one of of a series of experiments and God is watching all of them. What if there were dozens or hundreds of universes that God was watching grow and change? There is no reason to believe that in such a scenario that we have not already produced negative results and are scheduled for destruction.
Heck, maybe God created all this and then God was killed by an even stronger Divine Being and we are just coasting along with no one watching over us - and the stronger Divine Being might be getting ready to erase all of God's work.
To assume that we are too special or to necessary for God to destroy is simply egotism.
Your argument does not hold. You have provided no logical proof that we are not in the end times.
