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It's not natural, educating women.

Mycroft

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Mycroft
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At least, that seems to be the opinion of some fundamentalist Muslims:

Armed Men Set Afghan Girls' School on Fire

PADKHWAI RAGHANI, Afghanistan - Armed men broke into a girls' school south of the Afghan capital and set it on fire, the latest attack on education for girls in the conservative country, officials said Thursday.

The children burst into tears when they saw their school destroyed, principal Zaher Din said.

"The children are desperate for their classes to resume," he said.

The assailants tied up two school guards Tuesday night, beat them and then doused the small building and two classroom tents with gasoline, said Khan Mohammed, police chief in Logar province.
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Then later on it says:

There has been a spate of attacks on girls' schools across Afghanistan since U.S.-led forces ousted the Taliban in 2001. The former regime prohibited girls from attending school as part of its widely criticized drive to establish what it considered a "pure" Islamic state.
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So it seems this targeting of womens education is widespread.

Barefoot and pregnant, that's how they need to be kept.
 
And kept from traveling, and releasing their attackers. Those uppity women!


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=8855466

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pakistani government, which last week said gang-rape victim Mukhtaran Mai was free to travel, has taken away her passport, a U.S. official said on Tuesday.
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Last week the Pakistani government said it had lifted travel restrictions on Mukhtaran Mai, who was gang-raped on the orders of a traditional village council in 2002, following protests from international media and the U.S. government.

Mai had demanded the government allow her to travel after a court ordered the release of 12 men connected with her case.
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I've never quite figured out what it is that god has against women. So many Muslim fundies use it as an excuse to persecute women. Maybe we could all get together and startup a new god that thinks men don't require an education to perform thier pre-ordained roll.
 
Wow, Renata, that's outrageous. I found this other story out of Pakistan too.

http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/pakistan/pknews008.htm

Girl, 2, Who Must Marry to Pay for Uncle’s Adultery

As she emerges from her mud-walled house carried high on her elder brother’s shoulder two-year-old Rabia is blissfully unaware of the life that awaits her.

In 14 years, if the ruling of the village council—or panchayat—where she lives in rural Pakistan is obeyed, she will be married to a man 33 years her senior.

The decision was taken last week as a punishment against her uncle, Mohammed Akmal, who was found to have slept with another man’s wife. As part of the compensation deal he also agreed to pay 230,000 rupees (£2,175).

According to custom, a girl from an “offending” family must be offered in marriage to a man from a complainant’s family.
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So the family of the man who slept with his wife has to give up a girl virgin as compensation. The only difference between this and slavery is a wedding vow.
 
The Fool said:
I've never quite figured out what it is that god has against women. So many Muslim fundies use it as an excuse to persecute women. Maybe we could all get together and startup a new god that thinks men don't require an education to perform thier pre-ordained roll.
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That's thoughtful of you, but god, imaginary or not, has no such sentiments towards women, nor does the Koran. It is a tradition among the sexually repressed "men" to further repress women by quoting not what they read (since most of them can't read), but what they hear their local warlord (IE Cleric) says in order to give them power over something.

It's a closely similar sentiment to thinking that by killing as many as possible, along with oneself, that one will then be granted 72 virginal (unsullied by all those other dirty jerks one has spent one's life with) bodies and all the other things forbidden or unreachable in this life.

Pitiable perhaps, but despicable nevertheless.

Lets' instead start up a new god that rewards nothing except treating others as you would expect (hope) to be treated, and see what happens. Hell, we could even express the contempt that all the nonbelievers in our god deserve.
 
Elind said:
That's thoughtful of you, but god, imaginary or not, has no such sentiments towards women, nor does the Koran. It is a tradition among the sexually repressed "men" to further repress women by quoting not what they read (since most of them can't read), but what they hear their local warlord (IE Cleric) says in order to give them power over something.

from http://www.religioustolerance.org/ord_bibl.htm
"Paul's statement in 1 Timothy 2:11-15 in which the author did "not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." Further, 1 Timothy 3:2 specifies that overseers and deacons must be men. Finally, 1 Corinthians 14:34b-35 states that women must be silent and in submission when in church."

Christians believe Paul was passing on the word of thier god when he stuck this little lot on women....I doubt if the Koran is any different. I doubt if Judaism does not do the same thing.

It's a closely similar sentiment to thinking that by killing as many as possible, along with oneself, that one will then be granted 72 virginal (unsullied by all those other dirty jerks one has spent one's life with) bodies and all the other things forbidden or unreachable in this life.

I thought it was raisins...I prefer your version.....


Pitiable perhaps, but despicable nevertheless.

Lets' instead start up a new god that rewards nothing except treating others as you would expect (hope) to be treated, and see what happens. Hell, we could even express the contempt that all the nonbelievers in our god deserve.
How about we set up a god that is universally mercyfull and put anyone to the sword that fails to honor him? sounds like a plan.....
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The Fool said:
from http://www.religioustolerance.org/ord_bibl.htm
"Paul's statement in 1 Timothy 2:11-15 in which the author did "not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." Further, 1 Timothy 3:2 specifies that overseers and deacons must be men. Finally, 1 Corinthians 14:34b-35 states that women must be silent and in submission when in church."

Christians believe Paul was passing on the word of thier god when he stuck this little lot on women....I doubt if the Koran is any different. I doubt if Judaism does not do the same thing.
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It's good that modern Christians have evolved to interpret their holy texts in ways that don't discriminate against women. Let's hope that liberalism spreads to other faiths.
 
Elind said:
Mycroft said:
It's good that modern Christians have evolved to interpret their holy texts in ways that don't discriminate against women. Let's hope that liberalism spreads to other faiths. [/QUOTE

Like the Southern Baptists; bless their groins?
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Liberalism is, of course, a relative term. :)
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Mycroft said:
It's good that modern Christians have evolved to interpret their holy texts in ways that don't discriminate against women. Let's hope that liberalism spreads to other faiths.
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But liberalism is a mental disorder! And liberalism causes fundamentalists to fly planes into buildings! And gayhomos to get married which causes tsunamis! And it makes SkyDaddy not love us and not give us any more candy and hit SkyMommy.

SkyMommy cries a lot.
 
Mycroft said:
It's good that modern Christians have evolved to interpret their holy texts in ways that don't discriminate against women. Let's hope that liberalism spreads to other faiths.
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How does the Catholic church justify selecting priests based on sex? Does this practice imply Catholicism is not modern, or that being excluded from positions of authority in the church is not discrimination? I think statements that women should keep thier mouths shut in church mirror social attitudes of the time the books were written. I think its good that thier interpretation is worked on but how about working on the discriminatory practices that are based on these writings?
 
Elind said:
How about we drop the sword bit and just go with ignore for eternity (including no sex)?
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worship me or I will ignore you?.....Can't see that catching on ;)

gotta work some suffering in there somewhere!
 
The Fool said:
worship me or I will ignore you?.....Can't see that catching on ;)

gotta work some suffering in there somewhere!
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My wife makes me suffer through hell if I ignore her! Are you a single yuppie, or what? Maybe the helmet protects you from the rays?

:D
 
The Fool said:
How does the Catholic church justify selecting priests based on sex? Does this practice imply Catholicism is not modern, or that being excluded from positions of authority in the church is not discrimination? I think statements that women should keep thier mouths shut in church mirror social attitudes of the time the books were written. I think its good that thier interpretation is worked on but how about working on the discriminatory practices that are based on these writings?
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Not to be too smartass, but methinks Mycroft was not entirely serious there. (and that goes for LA too)
 
The Fool said:
How does the Catholic church justify selecting priests based on sex? Does this practice imply Catholicism is not modern, or that being excluded from positions of authority in the church is not discrimination? I think statements that women should keep thier mouths shut in church mirror social attitudes of the time the books were written. I think its good that thier interpretation is worked on but how about working on the discriminatory practices that are based on these writings?
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The Catholic problem will work itself out. Either Catholocism will change, or Catholics will become something else that's more reflective of the times. Any woman who is discriminated against has the option to quit the Catholic Church and be something else. Unitarian, maybe.

Frankly I'm more concerned about the greater problem of armed men running around burning down girls schools because they don't think girls should learn to read. These girls don't have any options other than to be who they are where they are, and if someone decides to oppress them in the name of Islam, they are much more vulnerable.
 
Elind said:
My wife makes me suffer through hell if I ignore her! Are you a single yuppie, or what? Maybe the helmet protects you from the rays?

:D
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this is what I can't grasp...how do you know she is making you suffer if you are ignoring her?


But back to the topic....I have a friend who told me he is going to fund his son to university but not his daughter.....why? This guy is a raving atheist....I've not asked because its none of my business but I imagine its a societal thing....is this attitude caused by an underlying religious influence or is it the other way around...is god created in our image and we have engineered our religions to justify our inherent attitudes towards females in society?
 
Mycroft said:
The Catholic problem will work itself out. Either Catholocism will change, or Catholics will become something else that's more reflective of the times. Any woman who is discriminated against has the option to quit the Catholic Church and be something else. Unitarian, maybe.
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And leave her social circles, upbringing, husband maybe? Just like any Muslim in the great outback, who otherwise has to bow down 5 times a day (one of them around 5am), and be seen doing so by everyone around, who might otherwise consider them an infidel, or a CIA agent?

Easy for you to say.
 
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