Italian hostage killed - Aljazeera TV

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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7ADCD736-4180-4DF3-9198-FE953342604A.htm ..full article

A group calling itself the Green Brigade says it has killed one of the four Italians hostages it had captured.

The group said in a statement sent to Aljazeera along with a video tape on Wednesday that it had killed the hostage because the Italian president Silvio Berlusconi said pulling his troops out of Iraq was "not in question."


A glorious victory for the arab world. I wish our troops kidnapped and murdered (on video) innocent non-combatants. :rolleyes:
 
I'm sure we'll soon hear the outrage from the Islamic community for this heinous act.









But don't hold your breath.
 
demon said:
"...while aid agencies counted at least 470 Iraqi dead in the Sunni city of Falluja alone last week, with 243 women and 200 children among them."

I'm sure we'll soon hear the outrage from the western community for this heinous act.

But don't hold your breath.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3625879.stm
And they were targeted deliberately. I'd be surprised if any of those killed were fighters, as the Marines go first for the women and children. :rolleyes:

BTW, your link has no mention as to numbers of women and children killed. Did you just make that up? If true (and I doubt it) it would mean that only 27 fighters were killed. My BS eter is off the charts on that claim, if you just dropped a large bomb randomly on the city you'd get a higher % of men killed than that. Until you come up w/ a source, I'll just call it a bunch of bullsh!t.
 
demon said:
"...while aid agencies counted at least 470 Iraqi dead in the Sunni city of Falluja alone last week, with 243 women and 200 children among them."

I'm sure we'll soon hear the outrage from the western community for this heinous act.

But don't hold your breath.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3625879.stm

Either you are quoting another article or you made that up, the quote from your link is:
...while aid agencies counted at least 470 Iraqi dead in the Sunni city of Falluja alone last week.

No mention of the sex or age of any of the victoms. So where does that quote come from?
 
I saw the article earlier and Demon was quoting verbatim.

At the top of the article it says, "Last Updated: Wednesday, 14 April, 2004, 17:04 GMT 18:04 UK ," so I guess they took out the women and children casualty numbers in an update.
 
Thanks curious...I was just going to post on that myself.

If Islamic militants attacked and killed 200 European, Israeli or US children, then of course the media would tell us that humanity had entered a new dark age or some such.
Our media just report a few figures...it isn't even that the children had been killed, they are merely counted, the cause of their death seemingly of little interest.

That same media appears compassionate and human enough when it's emoting over the suffering and horror of people in Madrid, but then nobody notices when there's this strange, silent indifference to the horrific fate of Iraqis, they are like some invisible entity. The extent of this inhumanity is a direct reflection of the degree of subordination of the media to power.

Anyway, the encouraging thing is that dissenting voices are no longer in the overwhelming minority. Plenty of people on the planet abhor what is going on in Iraq. It`s still the same old media hacks and warmongers who live quite happily with such carnage.
 
demon said:
Thanks curious...I was just going to post on that myself.

If Islamic militants attacked and killed 200 European, Israeli or US children, then of course the media would tell us that humanity had entered a new dark age or some such.
Our media just report a few figures...it isn't even that the children had been killed, they are merely counted, the cause of their death seemingly of little interest.

That same media appears compassionate and human enough when it's emoting over the suffering and horror of people in Madrid, but then nobody notices when there's this strange, silent indifference to the horrific fate of Iraqis, they are like some invisible entity. The extent of this inhumanity is a direct reflection of the degree of subordination of the media to power.

Anyway, the encouraging thing is that dissenting voices are no longer in the overwhelming minority. Plenty of people on the planet abhor what is going on in Iraq. It`s still the same old media hacks and warmongers who live quite happily with such carnage.
Without the original article, I have no idea as to who is making the claims of hundreds of women and children dead. I suspect the source is the insurgents themselves, which would make it highly suspect. Probably also claim that every man killed was an innocent civilian also. Remember the inflated claims of Palestinian dead in Jenin? remember the Arab media claims that all Jews left the World Trade Center before the planes hit? And that it was Jews who did it? Lots of BS coming from that part of the world, you'll have to show me an impartial source to convince me.

And it appears to me that the Marines there are showing remarkable restraint considering the way the insurgents are still attacking despite a supposed cease-fire. I don't think it's women and children firing those machine guns, and the Al Jazeera footage from last week showed plenty of grown men shooting RPG's and small arms at US Marines.

The power company here is going to shut off my (the whole block actually) electric in a few minutes to do some emergency repairs, so I'll check back here tomorrow.
 
If Islamic militants attacked and killed 200 European, Israeli or US children, then of course the media would tell us that humanity had entered a new dark age or some such.

Our media just report a few figures...it isn't even that the children had been killed, they are merely counted, the cause of their death seemingly of little interest.


Hint: that might have something to do with WHO STARTED THE RIOTS. They were started when Mr. Sadr decided to start his "death to America" riots in Falluja, with thousands of people shooting at the Americans, after four aid workers were viciously murdered.

Suppose that a crowd of 20,000 Frenchmen (for example) rioted in Morocco, burning four Morrocans for no reason than that they were Moroccans, and continued to kill any Moroccan in sight while shouting "death to the Arabs!". Then Moroccan police moved in and in the resulting fight 1000 frenchmen, children included, were killed. Would THAT be viewed as "a new dark age" by the media? A case of Morrocan barbarity? Somehow, I doubt it. I think the feeling would be that the Frenchmen got what they deserved.

The REAL difference, of course, is that nobody in their wildest dreams imagines the French acting in such a way in the first place, while violent mobs of Muslims attacking every "infidel" in sight at the instigation of the "holy man" du jour is an everyday occurence.

That same media appears compassionate and human enough when it's emoting over the suffering and horror of people in Madrid, but then nobody notices when there's this strange, silent indifference to the horrific fate of Iraqis

That might have something to do with the fact the Spaniards were not in the process of turning Madrid into the headquarters of the "resistance troops" whose purpose is to "liberate Spain from the evil Muslims" by killing any Muslim they can lay their hands on at the time of the Madrid bombing. I also don't recall the people of Madrid dancing in the streets as four Muslims were mutilated, killed, burned, and hung from bridges a week before the Madrid bombing. Do you?

If they were doing either (let alone both), I doubt there would have been much outrage at an Islamic attack on them at the time, even if it killed innocents. For the same reason, there isn't much outrage at Fallujah. The world doesn't have much sympathy for people whose idea of entertainment is hanging charred bodies from bridges, for some reason.
 
skeptic:
"Hint: that might have something to do with WHO STARTED THE RIOTS"

Hint, it might have something to do with WHO STARTED THE FVCKING WAR.
Your precious troops and mercaneries are there because of a concocted fraud and you have the temerity to talk about rioters and charred bodies when thousands upon thousands of innocent people have been killed because of lies heaped upon lies.

You`ll slaughter the Iraqis like you have been doing for the past 12 years but things are a bit different now and they are not afraid of you and you will reap what you sow, that`s for sure.
I hope it will help America wake up to the bloodthirsty fanatical thugs who are dragging what`s left of your country`s good name through the dirt.
 
You`ll slaughter the Iraqis like you have been doing for the past 12 years

No, it was Saddam Hussein who was doing it for the last 12 years.

but things are a bit different now and they are not afraid of you

Yes, indeed; and, as we know, the moment the Arabs stop being afraid of someone, the result is to riot, kill, and massacre them as an act of "liberation". Or at least that what you seem to believe. You apparently think Arabs are like what used to be said about the Germans: "they're either at your throat or at your feet".

Strange; civilized people spend most of their time dealing with other people in some state that is neither being scared to death of them, nor one of trying to kill them. Are you saying Arabs cannot do that? Is the only way to stop Arab violence against you is to keep them scared to death?

and you will reap what you sow, that`s for sure.

Somehow Saddam didn't "reap what he sowed" from the Iraqis, despite the fact that he of course killed far more of them than the US ever did. Oh wait: you WERE afraid of HIM, and, as we established above, fear is (according to you) the one thing that stops Arabs from killing.

Apparently, you seem to think Pat Buchanan & co. are correct: to deal with those savage Arabs, you need someone like Saddam who rules with an iron fist, since force and fear is the only language they understand and respect.

I hope it will help America wake up to the bloodthirsty fanatical thugs who are dragging what`s left of your country`s good name through the dirt.

When I see a bloodthirsty fanatical Iraqi thug killing Americans, this seems to me to be dragging IRAQ'S good name (whatever's left of it) in the dirt, not America's. Many nations had soldiers killed; only a few despised ones have such an impressive array of bloodthisty thugs. It is membership in that club that is dragging the country's name in the dirt.

Of course, to you, savagery means strength, and is respected; while the killed Americans merely "prove" that America is "weak" and should be despised--which is why you consider such disgusting horrors a case of dragging America's name in the dirt instead of Iraq's.
 
curious said:
I saw the article earlier and Demon was quoting verbatim.

At the top of the article it says, "Last Updated: Wednesday, 14 April, 2004, 17:04 GMT 18:04 UK ," so I guess they took out the women and children casualty numbers in an update.

Doubleplus good. Unfact into memory hole.
 
"unfact"...well, that remains to be seen.

There are numerous reports and acounts of the slaughter that has taken place and continues to take place in Fallujah and I`d award them every bit as much credence as those given by mainstream media outlets.
I`d say that figure in the BBC report is conservative considering the population of that city and the reported pounding that it has taken over the past week but we shall see...hopefully the truth will out and those left to grieve can get on with it and those who don`t give a rats ass can move on to the next one.
 
Skeptic said:
You`ll slaughter the Iraqis like you have been doing for the past 12 years

No, it was Saddam Hussein who was doing it for the last 12 years.

Saddam Hussien used American planes to bomb Iraq?

Not that I'm saying he was on his best behaviour during this period, but it's a bit rich to expect the Iraqs to trust the Americans when their experience of them is of being shot at by them.

I'd read the rest of what Skeptic wrote, but I suspect it's more nonsense, with caps thrown in for additional annoyance.
 
"...while aid agencies counted at least 470 Iraqi dead in the Sunni city of Falluja alone last week, with 243 women and 200 children among them."

Why don't you tell your terrorist heros to stop hiding behind civilians and in churches.
 
Re: Re: Italian hostage killed - Aljazeera TV

Mr Manifesto said:


Happy now?

edit to add Oops, it's not on video. Maybe next time?


Mr Manifesto spinning facts to make a point? I'll say again, if you hate liars, you must be the most self-loathing person in the world.
 

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