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It Really is "Turtles all the Way Down".

Gord_in_Toronto

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Sometime in the my dim distant past, before the days of the Internet when paper still ruled, I remember reading an article in ISTR a science fiction magazine that claimed the the Universe was a Black Hole because it was of the right density to be one -- the size of a black hole been dependent on its mass and all that.

Then today I read:

Every black hole contains a new universe

By Nikodem Poplawski ++ Published May 17, 2012 ++ Inside Science News Service

Our universe may exist inside a black hole. This may sound strange, but it could actually be the best explanation of how the universe began, and what we observe today. It's a theory that has been explored over the past few decades by a small group of physicists including myself.
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Is this TOE? Does it really link quantum-sized world with the Cosmos?

Double :cool:

Read the rest at: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/17/every-black-hole-contains-new-universe/?intcmp=obinsite
 
People were playing with this back in the 90s. On the basis that your source is fox news rather than any popular science book written in the last 20 years I'm kinda worried.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Sometime in the my dim distant past, before the days of the Internet when paper still ruled, I remember reading an article in ISTR a science fiction magazine that claimed the the Universe was a Black Hole because it was of the right density to be one -- the size of a black hole been dependent on its mass and all that.
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Isaac Asimov's The Collapsing Universe (1977, and probably quite out of date by now) ends with such a speculation.

Fred
 
Recent observational evidence suggesting the universe is in fact accelerating in its expansion might just put the black hole theory back in the game
 
So, if the universe is in a black hole, what do we call the thing that has all the black holes with universes in them?
 
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So, if the universe is in a black hole, what do we call the thing that has all the black holes with universes in them?
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It probably loops around in an infinite regression such that no universe is not inside another one. Still looking for the First Cause though. :cool:
 
Nowhere Man said:
Isaac Asimov's The Collapsing Universe (1977, and probably quite out of date by now) ends with such a speculation.

Fred
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Thanks Fred. That's a good possibility.

But I don't remember reading this book and quick Google does not show it based on any of his columns.

:th:
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Still looking for the First Cause though. :cool:
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Sorry, that was me. Had a really big burrito and, well, refried beans do that to most anyone...

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What would this mean for cosmic drift and the universe flying apart into a cold death? Would there be any indication of scale or size in terms we can relate to?

As a kid I used to be fascinated with the idea that there were infinitely regressing and progressing universes both inside and outside of each other, a never ending babushka/matryoshka doll in both directions.
 
A fractal universe... just the thought made my stomach churn from that old existential feeling. :boxedin:
 
Intriguing article. I know nowhere near enough to determine whether it's credible though...
 
Black Holes all the way down (who would have guessed).

Wait, so every black hole in our universe has another universe inside it and our universe is inside a black hole of some other universe that is inside a black hole of some other universe that is inside a black hole of some other universe that is inside a black hole of some other universe that is inside a black hole of some other universe that is inside a…..

So its black holes all the way down now instead of turtles (heck at least the turtles were kind of a cute image).

It also appears as a remedy to several major problems of current theory of gravity and cosmology. Physicists still need to combine the Einstein-Cartan-Sciama-Kibble theory fully with quantum mechanics into a quantum theory of gravity.
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Ah, so it hasn’t apparently remedied that major problem of the “current theory of gravity and cosmology”. Much like the cart and the horse it seems they are putting the black hole before the universe (well inside another universe with a black hole before that inside another universe with a black hole…) and thinking they might be winning the race before even jumping that first big hurdle (combine the Einstein-Cartan-Sciama-Kibble theory fully with quantum mechanics into a quantum theory of gravity). Heck them zany Physicists need something to do anyway so why not just come up with ‘black holes all the way down’ and let the rest of them zany Physicists figure out how it fundamentally works.
 
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Nah, not an infinite regression. Just three. The black holes inside the black holes inside the black holes don't have anything in them.
 
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