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Israel infiltrated by terrorists from Lebanon - 2 IDF kidnapped

webfusion

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Breaking News: Iranian-backed Hezballah terrorists crossed the internationally-recognized boundry and attacked an IDF patrol at the Lebanese border. They captured 2 soldiers, and are holding them to trade for prisoners in Israeli jails.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/737634.html
  • The terrorists in particular emphasized their demand for the release of Samir Kuntar, jailed in Israel since a 1979 infiltration attack in the northern town of Nahariyah, in which he entered an apartment and murdered three family members and an Israeli police officer.


Things aren't looking good for Iran... these are Iranian proxies who committed this act of war.
 
E.J. if you have nothing to contribute, then please stop hitting the "Submit Reply" button. Thank you.
 
Things aren't looking good for Iran... these are Iranian proxies who committed this act of war.
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You expect retaliation against Iran? I think they'll make do with Lebanon....

whatever, it's pretty bad news all round......:(
 
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You expect retaliation against Iran? I think they'll make do with Lebanon....

whatever, it's pretty bad news all round......:(
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Iran and Syria both. In Syria, the operation may be limited to eliminating Khaled Mashaal, who is behind the Shalit kidnapping affair.

As for the Iranians ---
The IAF already is well-trained and prepared to commence a daring long-range mission into Iran to destroy their nuclear enrichment (centrifuge) facilities at various locations. There was a brief window to act on March 20th, but the USA wanted to give diplomacy another chance, and Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert had to put the IAF jets (which were already fueled and waiting to fly) on stand-down status.
That window is now open again, for all intents and purposes, since Secretary Rice has just declared that Iran is "on the path to the Security Council", and feeble sanctions might be imposed.
So, the IAF would certainly be given a green light to act unilaterally TCB.
From a tactical standpoint, the USA only needs to issue the squawk codes for these Israeli bomber flights, as they pass through Gulf airspace, which is covered by USAF AWACS and satellites. The rest of the operation is already planned and detailed by the Israelis, with targets and armamanents and air-to-air refueling completely ready, waiting only for the order to "GO"

and "GO" , interestingly enough, in (IDF slang) Hebrew is "Kadima"
 
webfusion said:
E.J. if you have nothing to contribute, then please stop hitting the "Submit Reply" button. Thank you.
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You failed to appreciate that I was contibuting on your implied threat against Iran. Given the failure to substantiate all the claims about WOMD in Ithe WOAD against Iraq what evidence are you actually submitting for your warmongering threats and demonisation of Iran?

Is it OK for all governments to assassinate those they suspect of imminent attacks against their soverign territory?
 
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E.J.Armstrong, I'm sorry, but your subtlety is lost on me.
Whatever you are you trying to say, just say it. I can't answer the obscure riddles, and the hypothetical questions and the meandering into WOAD.

Iran is behind the Hezballah, and the Hezballah this morning perpetrated acts of war against Israel. Stating these facts is not "demonizing" ---
IIRC, Israel (and me supporting its position here) is not "warmongering" -- dude, Israel is fighting a war now, which it did not start.
What is complicated about that?


Is it OK for all governments to assassinate those they suspect of imminent attacks against their soverign territory?
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I cannot possibly define what level of reaction is appropriate and desirable for other governments facing clear and present threats, but my own government acts with precision and with due diligence against individuals they know are involved in perpetrating attacks against them.
[see: Muhammed Deif this morning]
 
webfusion said:
E.J.Armstrong, I'm sorry, but your subtlety is lost on me.
Whatever you are you trying to say, just say it. I can't answer the obscure riddles, and the hypothetical questions and the meandering into WOAD.

Iran is behind the Hezballah, and the Hezballah this morning perpetrated acts of war against Israel. Stating these facts is not "demonizing" ---
IIRC, Israel (and me supporting its position here) is not "warmongering" -- dude, Israel is fighting a war now, which it did not start.
What is complicated about that?
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Let me be less subtle. It seems your evidence for glorifying Israel's preparation to attack a soverign nation is simply unsupported opinion. That is warmongering.

I cannot possibly define what level of reaction is appropriate and desirable for other governments facing clear and present threats, but my own government acts with precision and with due diligence against individuals they know are involved in perpetrating attacks against them.
[see: Muhammed Deif this morning]
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Presumably they just know like Sylvia Browne just knows or like they just knew there were WOMD in Iraq. Do you really think the world trusts Bush to tell the truth in these matters when he has to be forced to apply decent norms to his tortured prisoners?
 
My opinions?

E.J. Armstrong -- in the OP to this thread, I stated a fact --
"these are Iranian proxies who committed this act of war."

I feel no need whatsoever for indulging your vanity, and providing evidence of the Hexbollocks being Iranian proxies.

Secondly, when you comment that "(my) evidence for glorifying Israel's preparation to attack a soverign nation is simply unsupported opinion." I have to laugh out loud. My evidence? Of what? Of the IAF being prepared to fly a mission into Iran? Are you seriously pulling the "I'm Skeptical" act and claiming that you never saw articles, and reports and statements from pretty much all the top-ranking Israeli political and military personalities? Even Jane's did a complete write-up. July 16, 2004
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm

C'mon E.J. -- where is this leading? You think the IAF is unjustified in attacking Iran? Then say so. But don't play your little games with me, and try to paste me with the label for warmongering and offering "unsupported opinion" when there is already a war on, and the scope and the direction of that war is yet to be seen.

The IDF just issued call-up orders for an entire infantry (reserves) division. I consider that pretty good evidence of something big brewing. It doesn't take a psychic to tell which way the wind is blowing.
 
Don't forget who you're talking to.
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I am not bickering with E.J. Armstrong, and I am not posting in this thread just for his sake. His views are certainly representative of many, and when I make a comment about something, my effort is aimed at an overall audience that wishes to understand and evaluate a very troubling issue.

This board is very mild and reasonable, compared to what is out there on the 'net, Mycroft. Right now, I am keeping an eye on the various talkbacks and BB's and I am witness to an extreme vilification of Israel & the overall level of anti-Israel rhetoric is at an all-time high.

This has been going on for a while, but has increased since the June 9th event at Beit Lahiyeh ---- and over the past 17 days of Summer Rain, the Israeli actions have been condemned and the vitriol has piled up quite deep.

Israel will obtain no thanks for bombing Iran, that is obvious. We will face censure in the UN, we will face sanctions, we will face a firestorm in the world media.
Israel will obtain no PR benefit by killing guys like Muhammed Deif, or even Khaled Mashaal. On the contrary, the elimination of these terrorists is always overshadowed by the collateral deaths of any civilians who are caught in the crossfire.
Cases in point:
The destruction of the home of gaza university lecturer Dr. Nabil al-Salmiah.
(who was shielding Deif)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/737324.html


and
the assassination of Islamic Jihadist Mohammed Dahdouh.
http://www.16beavergroup.org/mtarchive/archives/001903.php

and
the recent IDF attempt to eliminate al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades leader Zakariya al-Zubaidi and Islamic Jihad official Mahmoud al-Saadi.


Anyway, back to the topic --------
Who is Hezbollah demanding the release of, in exchange for the two IDF soldiers?
http://www.likud.nl/extr398.html
Samir Al-Quntar

This is a guy who should have been put against the wall and shot.
Now, he is a big hero, and has managed to bring the State of Israel to another war.
 
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