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Israel begins ground operations

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I'm suprised that a thread has not been started yet.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090104/ts_nm/us_palestinians_israel_97

GAZA (Reuters) – Israeli tanks and infantry battled Hamas fighters in the Gaza Strip on Sunday in a ground offensive launched after eight days of deadly air strikes failed to halt the Islamist group's rocket attacks on Israel.

Wearing night-vision goggles on their helmets and camouflage paint on their faces, Israeli soldiers entered the densely populated enclave on Saturday along with tank columns that swept in from four points as combat helicopters flew overhead
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I'm sorry, but you need to add on some adamantly Zionist comments or terrorist apologizing ones before constructive discussion can begin.

Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, representing major powers sponsoring Middle East peace talks, planned to begin shuttling on Sunday between Israeli leaders and Palestinian leaders -- Hamas's rivals -- in the occupied West Bank.
But divisions within the European Union over the Israeli operation could buy Israel more time.
France condemned the Israeli ground assault, as well as Hamas rocket fire. On Monday, French President Nicolas Sarkozy is scheduled to go to Jerusalem. Israel had rejected Paris's calls for a 48-hour ceasefire.
Diplomats said the Europeans were drafting a new proposal for a truce. Political sources said some Israeli officials favor a formal ceasefire backed by the U.N. and major powers. Other decision makers in Israel say it would only tie their hands should rocket fire continue.
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Why are Europeans making peace plans? If either of the warring parties want peace, they should advocate that on their own and ask for mediation. Otherwise, let them fight it out, because the truces will probably be as effective as the last one, and the one before that, and the one before...

My question is what will Israel do after kicking Hamas' *** in Gaza? 'Cause we all know that that is going to happen and no amount of UN whining will stop it.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
I'm sorry, but you need to add on some adamantly Zionist comments or terrorist apologizing ones before constructive discussion can begin.



Why are Europeans making peace plans? If either of the warring parties want peace, they should advocate that on their own and ask for mediation. Otherwise, let them fight it out, because the truces will probably be as effective as the last one, and the one before that, and the one before...

My question is what will Israel do after kicking Hamas' *** in Gaza? 'Cause we all know that that is going to happen and no amount of UN whining will stop it.
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It appears that the plan is to overthrow Hamas and allow Fatah to take control. Hamas appears to be very isolated at the moment by most Arab States. I don't believe Israel has any desire to re-occupy Gaza.
 
Here's IDF video of the preparations. Lots of heavy armor.



For all those worried about the IDF not allowing comments on their videos, they are allowed for this video for the time being.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
My question is what will Israel do after kicking Hamas' *** in Gaza? 'Cause we all know that that is going to happen and no amount of UN whining will stop it.
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That's the question. Hamas won't quit no matter if they "see that shooting rockets into Gaza is not helpful to their situation." I think they know that continuing shooting rockets isn't doing a damn thing for their people. It's only bolstering Hamas' power and support. So Israel really has no good options and this ground invasion will probably end pretty soon or else it will be in a semi-occupation status for a fairly long period of time. But now that they've started they can't just roll in, say mission accomplished, roll out, and then still have rockets being launched out of Gaza. And the UN doing anything substantial would be a miracle.
 
Policenaut said:
That's the question. Hamas won't quit no matter if they "see that shooting rockets into Gaza is not helpful to their situation." I think they know that continuing shooting rockets isn't doing a damn thing for their people. It's only bolstering Hamas' power and support. So Israel really has no good options and this ground invasion will probably end pretty soon or else it will be in a semi-occupation status for a fairly long period of time. But now that they've started they can't just roll in, say mission accomplished, roll out, and then still have rockets being launched out of Gaza. And the UN doing anything substantial would be a miracle.
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I have a feeling that this is the real deal this time. All signs appear to point to Israel having tacit approval by the Arab states and Fatah to do whatever it takes to kill Hamas once and for all. The UN has shown absolutely no urgency on this and that in itself is telling.
 
Those rockets are a nuisance, but since there are no WMDs in Gaza, there is no right to invade. We all learned that, didn't we?
 
Cool. Now let the real fighting begin. I hope Hamas kicks some butt. Even the score a little. Show the Israelis that 4 Jews DOES NOT equal 400 Arabs.
 
parky76 said:
Cool. Now let the real fighting begin. I hope Hamas kicks some butt. Even the score a little. Show the Israelis that 4 Jews DOES NOT equal 400 Arabs.
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Body count is one good measure of justice, but it's far more efficient to do it by gross weight.

For example- have all of the Jews and Arabs stand on a scale, and randomly kill however many are needed to balance it.

No children or fat people will be allowed on the scales, because that would be cheating.
 
lol

but seriously, I think its cowardly to bomb an enemy into submission. soldier to soldier combat is what a real war is all about.

let the games begin!!!

but in all seriousness, I think Israel has done a horrible thing with the blockade and then the destruction of Gaza. only when an army actually suffers real human loses do they seem to start to understand the seriousness of their actions.

A body count of 500 Israeli soldiers will hopefully smack some sense into Israel.
 
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parky76 said:
lol

but seriously, I think its cowardly to bomb an enemy into submission. soldier to soldier combat is what a real war is all about.

let the games begin!!!
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It's about winning, not about fairness.
 
Texas said:
Parky have you ever been in a bar fight? Your attitude would put you in a hospital or worse. War is even more unfair. Remember Indiana Jones and the guy with the sword in the market?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLXdLgOybE
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There used to be some sense of honor in warfare. Not anymore.

There is nothing honorable..nothing courageous..about attacking an enemy armed with mortors and AK-47s..with 1,000 pound bombs and laser guided missiles from the safety of a F-16 at 10,000 feet.
 
parky76 said:
lol

but seriously, I think its cowardly to bomb an enemy into submission. soldier to soldier combat is what a real war is all about.

let the games begin!!!

but in all seriousness, I think Israel has done a horrible thing with the blockade and then the destruction of Gaza. only when an army actually suffers real human loses do they seem to start to understand the seriousness of their actions.

A body count of 500 Israeli soldiers will hopefully smack some sense into Israel.
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Your edit is even more mind boggling.
 
parky76 said:
There used to be some sense of honor in warfare. Not anymore.

There is nothing honorable..nothing courageous..about attacking an enemy armed with mortors and AK-47s..with 1,000 pound bombs and laser guided missiles from the safety of a F-16 at 10,000 feet.
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Give me just one example of "honor" in war ever.
 
i think a fair fight...or even a fairer fight...has some honor to it.

why is punching someone in the groin not allowed in boxing or karate? cause there is no honor in it...and renders the opponent useless.
 
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