Islamic creationist trainwreck on the Guardian website

[Mojo]

I don't see a thread about this yet - wasn't sure whether to put it here or in R+P. The Guardian's "comment is free" section has featured a debate about "evolution and the origins of life from a Muslim perspective" between their resident Muslim spokesman Inayat Bunglawala and Muslim creationist Harun Yahya.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/01/evolution.islam

if you can get over Yahya's contribution, just look at the comments once the creationist copy and paste merchants get going...

 

[Mashuna]

<sigh>

It's the same old misrepresentations, garbled half-facts and bad use of metaphor that you find in all these 'debates'. I'm finding that my will to wade through this type of thing is reducing rapidly.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

<sigh>

It's the same old misrepresentations, garbled half-facts and bad use of metaphor that you find in all these 'debates'. I'm finding that my will to wade through this type of thing is reducing rapidly.

Yup, just replace "Jesus" with "Mohammed."

 

[MattusMaximus]

I wonder if the Disco Institute and other U.S. ID-creationists would allow Harun Yahya and his Muslim creationist organization to have their views put into science classrooms as part of "teach all views"?

Try approaching a standard Christian ID-creationist with this prospect and they will freak out. Then show them that all of their arguments are the same thing, just with "Jesus" instead of "Mohammed" - and then you'll see some serious cognitive dissonance.

PS: I actually have a copy of Harun Yahya's "Atlas of Creation" on my shelf at home. Aesthetically, it is a beautiful book - scientifically, it's crap.

 

[Wowbagger]

PS: I actually have a copy of Harun Yahya's "Atlas of Creation" on my shelf at home. Aesthetically, it is a beautiful book - scientifically, it's crap.

And, a lot of those beautiful images were stolen from real science collections, without permission.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

I wonder if the Disco Institute and other U.S. ID-creationists would allow Harun Yahya and his Muslim creationist organization to have their views put into science classrooms as part of "teach all views"?

Hell no! In the feeble minds of the American Right, Islam has replaced Communism as the boogie man we should all be afraid of as well as the reason we should unquestionably support our government's efforts (no matter how expensive, unconstitutional, or immoral) to wage more wars against our "enemies."

Then again, according to some polls, the only thing worse than being a Muslim in this country is being an atheist.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I know, of all the many religious beliefs driving all the extremist terrorist actions, why is it always Islam that people talk about? Why doesn't the media talk about all the Hari krishna driven attacks? What about all the Buddhist attacks? How come no one talks about those?

 

[MattusMaximus]

I sense... sarcasm...

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

I know, of all the many religious beliefs driving all the extremist terrorist actions, why is it always Islam that people talk about? Why doesn't the media talk about all the Hari krishna driven attacks? What about all the Buddhist attacks? How come no one talks about those?

I fear there's far a greater chance of death, destruction and tyranny for America at the hands of Pat Robertson and his Bible-humping ilk than any so-called "Islamofascist" wanna-be plotting away in some Middle Eastern crap hole.

When I see the U.S. government throw as much of it's military power against the America's home-grown Christian Taliban as it did expelling Afganistan's, then I'll take you seriously.