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Is this a genuine psychic prediction?

Ersby

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I’ve found this example of a psychic prediction, with a dated document that seems valid and I'd like to ask for a little help. It concerns a prediction of the whereabouts of a man named Charlie Jordan, who was a drug smuggler on the run in the mid/late 1980s.

The story is that, in 1989, a remote viewer on the US government program named the location where the fugitive eventually turned up. The original session notes seem to be missing from the declassified documents, but a dated document containing a summary of the session is available. I've put a mediafire link to it, if anyone wants to see it. The section in question is on page three, attributed to viewer 079.

http://www.mediafire.com/?9zj1p391pqhh4zy

There's an article on the Csicop site which raises some valid points: there's a good reason to believe the remote viewer wasn't blind to the target (because other viewers had already done sessions on Charlie Jordan before she did) plus, of course, her session was one of many and all of the others were wrong.

http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/remotely_viewed_the_charlie_jordan_case/

But the fact remains that, while her colleagues were saying Charlie was in California/Mexico/Florida, she did say Lovell (or Lowell) and that's where he was found. I find this interesting but I'm unable to properly examine what was known or said about the case in the media at the time.

Does anyone have access to US newspaper archives for that time (March/April 1989)? How wild and unlikely is that guess? If anyone can look up the story in contemporary newspapers, and see what the prevailing theory regarding Charlie Jordan was, I'd be grateful.
 
Ersby said:
I’ve found this example of a psychic prediction, with a dated document that seems valid and I'd like to ask for a little help. It concerns a prediction of the whereabouts of a man named Charlie Jordan, who was a drug smuggler on the run in the mid/late 1980s.

The story is that, in 1989, a remote viewer on the US government program named the location where the fugitive eventually turned up. The original session notes seem to be missing from the declassified documents, but a dated document containing a summary of the session is available. I've put a mediafire link to it, if anyone wants to see it. The section in question is on page three, attributed to viewer 079.

http://www.mediafire.com/?9zj1p391pqhh4zy

There's an article on the Csicop site which raises some valid points: there's a good reason to believe the remote viewer wasn't blind to the target (because other viewers had already done sessions on Charlie Jordan before she did) plus, of course, her session was one of many and all of the others were wrong.

http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/remotely_viewed_the_charlie_jordan_case/

But the fact remains that, while her colleagues were saying Charlie was in California/Mexico/Florida, she did say Lovell (or Lowell) and that's where he was found. I find this interesting but I'm unable to properly examine what was known or said about the case in the media at the time.

Does anyone have access to US newspaper archives for that time (March/April 1989)? How wild and unlikely is that guess? If anyone can look up the story in contemporary newspapers, and see what the prevailing theory regarding Charlie Jordan was, I'd be grateful.
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I have about forty cartons of unpacked books upstairs and was afraid I was going to have to go through them, but there's a preview of the book, with the particularly pertinent chapter available, on line.


See Chapter 9. Nickell is a bona fide skeptic and fairly reliable. Reads like any of a number of "near misses", marginally impressive if she didn't have information from other sources that he'd already been spotted south of Wyoming, but not as definitive as the psychic supporters ever make them out to be.

http://books.google.co.th/books?id=...&ots=tci2ljzBkX&dq=psychic+and+charlie+jordan
 
Thanks, but that chapter's the same as the article I linked to earlier. And I think this hit is very different to the usual kind. It is dated, and I think the similarity between "Lovell Wyoming" and "Lowell Wyoming" is clear. In Joe's article, he asks how many other sessions this remote viewer did before she got this hit. As far as the records say, she only did one. Which is why I was wondering if anyone had any access to contemporary sources on the Charlie Jordan case itself.
 
Ah, sorry 'bout that. I didn't click the link with the article, itself. Yeah, apparently the Nickell book is a collection of his previous stuff.

He mentions that the research group got access to all the papers. Maybe contact Nickell and ask if there's any archive of the records available?

ETA: Whoa! After clicking that link, I came back to prepare this message and my computer went black and for a split second a little box appeared that said, "He's dead....." and I'm not sure what else because it blinked off, jumped off the forum and internet and rebooted my computer... and returned me to this page like nothing had ever happened. I think I'll do a security run. (Anyone else get anything funky from that link?)
 
I don't know if this will help at all because I haven't read the book, but Jim Schnabel joined the US government RV programme and wrote a book about his experience of it.
http://www.jimschnabel.com/remote-viewers/

Jim is a witty writer and does approach things from a sceptical and journalistic point of view so the book may be worth you reading anyway, and it may just contain some more information about the case you are looking into.
 
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