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Is there a global power elite that may make traditional governments obsolete?

Conspiracy Nuts always miss the one crucial thing.

The point is not that there is a group of people with non-democratic power. There is, there has always been, and there will always be, such a group.

The point is that the group constantly change: One day, Bill Gates has a lot of power, the next day Microsoft has crashed. One day, Osama bin Laden is the most feared terrorist leader in the world, the next he is either dead or in prison.

If the group of people really were in control, the people in the group would be constant. Not the case.

Where is Tony Blair today? Busy praying. Where is Bill Clinton? On the lecture circuit. Where is Radovan Karadzic? In jail.
 
CFLarsen said:
Conspiracy Nuts always miss the one crucial thing.

The point is not that there is a group of people with non-democratic power. There is, there has always been, and there will always be, such a group.

The point is that the group constantly change: One day, Bill Gates has a lot of power, the next day Microsoft has crashed. One day, Osama bin Laden is the most feared terrorist leader in the world, the next he is either dead or in prison.

If the group of people really were in control, the people in the group would be constant. Not the case.

Where is Tony Blair today? Busy praying. Where is Bill Clinton? On the lecture circuit. Where is Radovan Karadzic? In jail.
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Pseudo-skeptical idiots often miss many things, including but not limited to the fact that many of the names of the WEF attendees in Davos, the heads of the councils, round tables, and think-tanks are for all practical purposes immutable. Names like Rothschild and Rockefeller, the patriarchs of corrupt global banking dynasties next to whom the wealth of people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Carlos Slim are pittances.

And of course, if you had bothered to read the article you would realize the author of the book in question is documenting a system run by people that operates above sovereign nations. Mortal limitations dictate that people will change, but this is irrelevant. The contemptible figureheads we know as politicians who attend these meetings merely serve to placate those discontent with the system by being systematically voted out - a meaningless gesture when the system itself remains fully intact.

Downplay, deny.
 
Tippit said:
Pseudo-skeptical idiots often miss many things, including but not limited to the fact that many of the names of the WEF attendees in Davos, the heads of the councils, round tables, and think-tanks are for all practical purposes immutable. Names like Rothschild and Rockefeller, the patriarchs of corrupt global banking dynasties next to whom the wealth of people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Carlos Slim are pittances.

And of course, if you had bothered to read the article you would realize the author of the book in question is documenting a system run by people that operates above sovereign nations. Mortal limitations dictate that people will change, but this is irrelevant. The contemptible figureheads we know as politicians who attend these meetings merely serve to placate those discontent with the system by being systematically voted out - a meaningless gesture when the system itself remains fully intact.

Downplay, deny.
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I live in Europe and despite the guys in the US, there are no Bilderbergs, Rothschilds, Kennedys, Masons, Trilateral Somethings and Hollywood Jews anywhere near our "parliamentary crown jewels".

So leave the Rest of the World out of it. This topic most probably will make you look pretty stupid whenever you are on vacation over here...
 
I did not read the whole article, but I think the emphasis is misplaced. It is not Gates or Buffet, et. al. that are worrisome. I am more concerned about faceless global corporate organizations. Many of these corporations are far larger than traditional nation states and wield considerable power. Witness the WTO whose negotiations are not public and whose rules override national laws as just two examples.

But I don't see a shred of an conspiracy here. It is just the normal consequence of the accummulation of wealth and power.
 
SezMe said:
I did not read the whole article, but I think the emphasis is misplaced. It is not Gates or Buffet, et. al. that are worrisome. I am more concerned about faceless global corporate organizations. Many of these corporations are far larger than traditional nation states and wield considerable power. Witness the WTO whose negotiations are not public and whose rules override national laws as just two examples.

But I don't see a shred of an conspiracy here. It is just the normal consequence of the accummulation of wealth and power.
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I can agree with that argument about global corporatism - sometimes bordering conspiracy out of greed. But that's what Tippit is free to vote against in the next election - unless he's forced to vote for the lesser of two evils.
 
Tippit said:
Pseudo-skeptical idiots often miss many things, including but not limited to the fact that many of the names of the WEF attendees in Davos, the heads of the councils, round tables, and think-tanks are for all practical purposes immutable. Names like Rothschild and Rockefeller, the patriarchs of corrupt global banking dynasties next to whom the wealth of people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Carlos Slim are pittances.

And of course, if you had bothered to read the article you would realize the author of the book in question is documenting a system run by people that operates above sovereign nations.
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What "system" is that that is so unknown to the general public? People have always "operated" across boundaries, regardless of whether it is sovereign nations or other formations.

Tippit said:
Mortal limitations dictate that people will change, but this is irrelevant.
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What about the limitations that aren't mortal? What about Osama bin Laden if/when he is caught?

Tippit said:
The contemptible figureheads we know as politicians who attend these meetings merely serve to placate those discontent with the system by being systematically voted out - a meaningless gesture when the system itself remains fully intact.

Downplay, deny.
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Please list the names of these "immutable" persons: Start with the "patriarchs of corrupt global banking dynasties".

Please explain your solution to all this.

Please explain why you are allowed to divulge this global conspiracy.
 
Yes Hamas and Hezbollah are trying to do a NWO and Ramzan Kadyrov and Chechnya is also involved. Chechnya is a secret because you never see it in the news. People in the west will never talk how Russia violates human rights everyday in Chechnya. Chechnya is NWO just look what happend to Alexander Litvinenko and Anna Politkovskaya when they tried to expose what Russia is doing in Chechnya. Ah and maybe Robert Mugabe is also apart of the NWO?
 
On the national scale no.

In the international scale these is no functioning body that acts like a conventional goverment. For a long time this didn't matter since very few enterties operated beyond the national scale. Now more and more do. With the lack of goverment other power players will have greater freedom to act.
 
Tippit said:
Pseudo-skeptical idiots often miss many things, including but not limited to the fact that many of the names of the WEF attendees in Davos, the heads of the councils, round tables, and think-tanks are for all practical purposes immutable. Names like Rothschild and Rockefeller, the patriarchs of corrupt global banking dynasties next to whom the wealth of people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Carlos Slim are pittances.
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I see we are talking about fictitious entities.

When we start talking about things in the real world, let me know.
 
SezMe -- The WTO is an organization that oversees and enforces rules for trade between member states. Its rulings are enforced basically by threatening to expel member nations from the group, thus losing its benefits, if they don't straighten up and fly right. Just as the IOC oversees the Olympics and decides who can compete, and what the drug-testing standards are; and the ISU (International Skating Union) oversees figure skating and speed skating competitions. None of these groups can put people in jail, impound a person or nation's assets, impose limits on travel, interdict immigration or emigration, refer any head of state or individual to a court for criminal charges...not much of a government. WTO is a rules organization, nothing more.

Further, its trade agreements are negotiated by representatives of national governments, and generally have to be ratified by the member governments before they come into effect.

ETA: You will undoubtedly regard this as "downplaying", where as I think of it as "stating actual verifiable facts".
 
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geni said:
On the national scale no.

In the international scale thesethere is no functioning body that acts like a conventional govermentgovernment. For a long time this didn't matter since very few entertiesentities operated beyond the national scale. Now more and more do. With the lack of govermentgovernment other power players will have greater freedom to act.
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FIFY

FTR (For The Record)

There is no verifiable extra-national organization. The United Nations exists as a forum for discussion--and disputably for the implementation of the consensus among nations.

Yet there exists a community of persons who are potent.

Either you are carny, or you are rube.

Some of us are ambidextrous ;)
 
Travis said:
I see we are talking about fictitious entities.

When we start talking about things in the real world, let me know.
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I see that you're just ignorant.

The World's Billionaires
http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_2.html

David Rockefeller said:
"Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
- David Rockefeller, “Memoirs”, 2002
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Rockefeller's name has been a perennial entry on the member lists of the organizations and think tanks that have influenced the New World Order. The fact that you're totally oblivious to this doesn't change reality one iota.
 
The problem is that you think all these "elite" people think alike and are interested in the same goals, (usually evil ones).

They don't.
 
Tippit said:
I see that you're just ignorant.

The World's Billionaires
http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_2.html
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...and where are the ones that put Gates' and Buffett's fortunes to shame?

Rockefeller's name has been a perennial entry on the member lists of the organizations and think tanks that have influenced the New World Order. The fact that you're totally oblivious to this doesn't change reality one iota.
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Conspiracies about the Rockefellers? That is sooo 20th century.
 
Tippit said:
I see that you're just ignorant.

The World's Billionaires
http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_2.html



Rockefeller's name has been a perennial entry on the member lists of the organizations and think tanks that have influenced the New World Order. The fact that you're totally oblivious to this doesn't change reality one iota.
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Welcome back.

What "system" is that that is so unknown to the general public? People have always "operated" across boundaries, regardless of whether it is sovereign nations or other formations.

What about the limitations that aren't mortal? What about Osama bin Laden if/when he is caught?

Please list the names of these "immutable" persons: Start with the "patriarchs of corrupt global banking dynasties".

Please explain your solution to all this.

Please explain why you are allowed to divulge this global conspiracy.
 
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