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Is the Truthmovement already dead?

Is the truthmovement dead?

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i think its one of thos eopera chracters that has recieved a fatal wound, but rather than dying he continues to sing
 
Yes, but some came back from the netherworld to haunt us, ie TS1234, kc440, Sentinel, Christophera Monk.

ETA: but voted Planet X, since Planet X is the netherworld.
 
It's not dead, but then it's not feeling so well either. For the CTers the conspiracy has to keep growing over time until it includes every person in America, except of course for themselves.

For example, last month the NYC medical examiner’s office matched the remains of three Flight 11 victims with new DNA samples provided by their families. Of course the CTers yelled “coverup”, “fake”. They are assuming the conspiracy has moved on to the next generation of government workers, many of which weren't even working for the government on 9/11.
 
I think it's only a movement when its campaigning for something. At the moment this seems to be a new investigation. As they can't persuade anybody who matters that we need a new investigation, they're not going to get one. As they continue to make no progress towards a new investigation, the movement will dwindle.

If there's a Democrat President in 2008, she or he may decide to get Bush and Cheney to testify properly, or a Congressional committee may decide to do it. When that doesn't turn up a smoking gun, the movement will dwindle further. If the new powers that be decide not to investigate further, the movement will dwindle further. If a Republican is elected in 2008, the movement will dwindle further.

For each bit of "secret" information that is released which supports the official view, the movement will dwindle further.

What we'll be left with is a conspiracy theory that people will be happy to believe in while at the same time not at all inclined to act on. Those people will be difficult to convince, but they will not be a movement.
 
Well, if i consider that most parts of this movement
are political motivated people, i guess the movement
never existed in terms of finding "truth". These are
my experiences so far talkin to the MIHOP´ers. :rolleyes:
 
Sadly, as long as there are idiots on the internet there will be a Truth Movement. The best-case scenario is that they quarantine themselves within the Loose Change forums and stop it spreading.
 
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It was never a movement--just a bunch of people sharing fantasies. No group of people who call everyone they meet an "agent" or a "shill" are going anywhere.
 
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I'd say not dead yet, but dying, at least as a "movement". That is, a large group that can put on some sort of display like they did at Ground Zero this year, and actively recruits new members like a cult. There will always be a few die-hards lurking about, ready to bend anyone's ear with their ideas, but that's no different than any of the pre-9/11 conspiracies, or even just your ramdom, run-of-the-mill nutcases.

There will be a steady trickle of new truthers, as disturbed young people, who missed the first wave, find out about it and adopt it as their delusion d'etre, but again, that's no different that JFK, or fluoride in the water.
 
Housefly said:
Sadly, as long as there are idiots on the internet there will be a Truth Movement. The best-case scenario is that they quarantine themselves within the Loose Change forums and stop it spreading.
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echoes my sentiments.

I think its deathknell is starting to show. The appeal to emotion for proof is higher then ever it seems, using out of context quotes more then ever before and the scientific aspects that seemed strong in their eyes have been completely shot down now, especially in recent times with the debunking efforts by a few individuals around here and elsewhere. They literally echoed the words of the reports in simpler terms for the lurkers to understand.

EDIT: with this in mind I think the people who buy it now are even more crazy then ever, especially with the information available.

People like Mr Pickering and TS1234 show that its not about facts but their fuzzy interpretation of the world and if you dont accept their opinion as fact, your wrong. TS is particularly crazy about it. No matter what you answer him with he still wants to bash his head on a wall and live in a world of James Bond. Russell reminds me of the scientist 'Zugabe' on that Penn and Teller episode.
 
I've been starting to think the same thing. Unless something REALLY BIG comes along I suspect the movement will die a slow death with some hardcore fans sticking it out until the day they die. When Bush leaves office I suspect another strong decline.
 
The movement will become exactly like the JFK conspiracy. A few believers still talking about it in 40 years.
 
Kent1 said:
I've been starting to think the same thing. Unless something REALLY BIG comes along I suspect the movement will die a slow death with some hardcore fans sticking it out until the day they die. When Bush leaves office I suspect another strong decline.
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I am making this announcement as protection for my safety.

Russell, Merc, and Dylan all know my real name.

I will announce my real name tomorrow or Thursday after I am sure I am safe.

I have explosive eyewitness testimony that irrefutably establishes the flight path and proves the mechanical damage flight path/official story incorrect.

I have interviewed 8 eyewitness at the location where they saw the plane.

They go further back than Barton St and all the way up to the Pentagon.

Details will be forthcoming as the information is compiled appropriately.

If something happens to me you know why.
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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=636

But it's already been debunked by themselves

QUOTE Did any of the witnesses see the plane hit the Pentagon ?
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MERC's reply[aka: That One Dude]
What if they think they did? Does them saying "I saw the plane hit the building?" mean they actually saw the plane hit the building? No. Even if they did, is it possible that it didn't?
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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=604&st=30&#last
 
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Oliver said:
What do you personally think? Is it dead?
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Well, I guess I get to be the lone voice of dissent. (And the lone optimist.)

Yes. I think it's dead.

The Trooth Movement is neither:

  • moving; we see the exact same arguments over and over again -- when was the last time you heard something new? Aside from space-based beam weapons and antimatter, that is
  • growing; the rolls of the 9/11 Scholars for Truth, the ranks at Loose Change, not even oft-misconstrued polls show any growth
  • nor reproducing; there is no cascade effect of protests, societies, conventions, "national debates," radio shows -- nothing
I submit my declaration of victory thread linked above as evidence, and an open invitation for any Trooth adherent to convince me otherwise.

This in no way fulfils the scientific definition of "alive," thus it must be dead.

There will always be a fringe group of those who cling to outlandish theories with no basis in fact. The Flat Earthers are still with us. Somewhere there is probably a group embroiled in showing that the Spanish Inquisition was a hoax. This is just human nature. I am not impressed.

The Trooth Movement has already begun to resemble these quaint, fully mature and exhausted conspiracy theories. We saw their fitful attempt at gaining momentum and profitability on the 5th Anniversary, and it was pretty feeble. I see it all downhill from here.
 
R.Mackey said:
Well, I guess I get to be the lone voice of dissent. (And the lone optimist.)

Yes. I think it's dead.

The Trooth Movement is neither:

  • moving; we see the exact same arguments over and over again -- when was the last time you heard something new? Aside from space-based beam weapons and antimatter, that is
  • growing; the rolls of the 9/11 Scholars for Truth, the ranks at Loose Change, not even oft-misconstrued polls show any growth
  • nor reproducing; there is no cascade effect of protests, societies, conventions, "national debates," radio shows -- nothing
I submit my declaration of victory thread linked above as evidence, and an open invitation for any Trooth adherent to convince me otherwise.

This in no way fulfils the scientific definition of "alive," thus it must be dead.

There will always be a fringe group of those who cling to outlandish theories with no basis in fact. The Flat Earthers are still with us. Somewhere there is probably a group embroiled in showing that the Spanish Inquisition was a hoax. This is just human nature. I am not impressed.

The Trooth Movement has already begun to resemble these quaint, fully mature and exhausted conspiracy theories. We saw their fitful attempt at gaining momentum and profitability on the 5th Anniversary, and it was pretty feeble. I see it all downhill from here.
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I agree it is dead just not buried yet that is why it stinks so much it is decaying rapidly!

When it is finally buried, I want to dance and urinate on its grave!
 
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