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Is sudoko the ultimate brain exercise?

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Altheimers disease runs in my family and in my efforts to stave off this disorder I do puzzles such as crossword, word finding, cryptogram and sudoko.

I find sudoko to be the most mentally taxing. I can barely do it and it takes a lot of concentration on my part.

So is sudoko the ultimate brain exercise or is it just me?
 
By what measure?

A type I diabetic friend of mine found that designing a complex network architecture was equivalent in terms of the rate his blood sugar levels lowered as moderate physical exercise.

Mental exercise burns calories just as physical exercise does so one measure of the ultimate exercise would be the one the requires the most work to accomplish. Yet it's not guaranteed that that expending more energy correlates with the greatest effect on Alzheimers.
 
(Notwithstanding my sole qualification to speak on this matter is that I rather like doing sudoku) it seems likely to me that sudoku requires concentration and effort in a particular set of thought processes, so while it may be beneficial it seems unlikely to be the 'ultimate brain exercise' any more than, say, arm wrestling might be the 'ultimate body exercise'.
 
It's an interesting question, and one that I have thought of a bit recently, because not only is Alzheimer's a family trait, but I recently suffered some minor brain damage in a bike accident, and have been doing some puzzles in part because there was little else to do, and in part to keep my brain ticking. Sudoku is pure logic, and as such it taxes a certain aspect of the brain, but it won't help if you have issues with word comprehension, vocabulary, and the like, and it won't help you to organize visual space much. You will also find, as you learn the tricks and acquire the ability to see the whole puzzle at once, that it becomes easier.

I think if you're doing this kind of thing as a mental exercise to keep your brain going, it's probably a good thing, but not by itself. One exercise my wife and I found more or less by accident and necessity (visual issues at first meant no reading allowed) is two-person crosswords. One person reads the clues and tells the other what spaces are left to fill, and the other does it blind. At least in my case, it's a good deal slower than doing it when one can see the whole puzzle, but it puts a pretty good load on your ability to recall words, remember lengths, etc. We have a daily paper whose puzzles and sudokus start very easy on Monday and become ferocious by Sunday, giving a good cross section. You can also get books of old NY Times crosswords, organized by day, with similar progressions.

I have read that visual stimulation is also important here, and that some of the less verbal computer games, such as Tetris, are useful. Finding a good Tetris that runs properly on modern computers may take a bit of searching. One that I used to do a lot, but that is very hard on keyboards as well as running too fast on modern machines is "Wordtris." A Tetris variant, it involves falling letters that one must form into words. It's a great challenge, and really keeps you on your toes. If you want a very simple visual game that will run on anything, find the original Windows 3.0 "samegame," which will run at least as far as Windows XP with no problem.

My mother, now 90, has had Alzheimer's for a long time, and has kept some of her faculties going doing word puzzles. Even now, though she barely knows what is happening around her and rarely remembers who I am, she can do wordsearch puzzles, and I think it's one of the things that has helped her, if not to avoid the disease, to be able to conceal it through not losing her vocabulary.

If you have not come across it, there's a website called "web Sudoku" that gives you an option of levels, and allows you to print out individual puzzles in a format that's very easy to work, one at a time. YOu can get hints on line as well if you need. It's a nice free service provided by a company whose actual specialty is printer ink. If you have a laser printer it's great!
 
No. Surfing the JREF fora is the Ultimate Brain Exercise. :)

But re: brain exercise, I've been thinking about neurological endurance. I can't find much by googling. My thought is that just like muscles, nerves run out of energy after a while. They need a rest period to re-charge SOMEHTING. But What? Maybe they run purely on glucose, but I wouldn't think so- there must be some other trace needed. Not just for thinking, but also for sending signals to the muscles. So, what trace element would I need to enhance neuro-endurance?

I do note that when playing Freecell, the taking a break to check my stats helps, if just a moment. It probably uses a differnet part of the brain, math instead of visual, or something, and lets the 'playing' side recharge. But take too long, and ummm, maybe the blood flow changes over to the math part instead of the 'playing' part?

I'm not a believer in the left side/ right side for creativity, but I do believe the brain can control blood flow to various parts that are used for particular tasks. Brain anatomy is proven by studying stroke victms, language center, math center, etc. So, next step to stave off ALZ would be to 'exercise' the ummm _______ center? But isn't ALZ eventually a total brain degeneration? When it gets to the brain stem, you die?
 
I like crossword puzzles better. I think whatever mentally challenging activity you actually do is better than the one you don't do.

(FWIW, I think there's a pretty strong correlation between physical activity, like running, and reduced risk of Alzheimer's.)

And it's sudoku, not sudoko!
 
I believe it's effective at exercising the brain, but I don't think it's better or not compared to other mental exercises. I love Suduko, but I have more of a mathemetical mind, I detest crosswords, it's a different discipline.
 
The most vigorous brain exercise is understanding a woman. I came up with two theories after years of tough meditation and research. Upon scientific testing neither of them work. However hints in my research point to gentle pursuit and message. Also doing the unexpected like picking up after yourself. Odd but there is a subtle hint of success.
 
(Notwithstanding my sole qualification to speak on this matter is that I rather like doing sudoku) it seems likely to me that sudoku requires concentration and effort in a particular set of thought processes, so while it may be beneficial it seems unlikely to be the 'ultimate brain exercise' any more than, say, arm wrestling might be the 'ultimate body exercise'.

I like to get a full mental workout on Sundays, with the morning paper. Different types of brain usage might help more.

I start with the cryptoquote. I do this without a pen, so that I am forced to remember which letters correspond to which. It doesn't take that much longer once you are good at it. Usually complete it before finishing a cigarette. Later on in the week I try to remember what the quote was, and who said it, without looking at the paper.

I then move on to Sudoku. This I use a pen on.

After that I try answering the Asimov Super Quiz questions. Once I have a good indication of how dumb I am, I memorize the answers to the questions, and take it again later in the week, after finally completing one of the crosswords. I do this multiple times to help improve my memory and knowledge base.

There are three crosswords supplied in total, which I spend the whole week on. I am not that good at them, I admit. The answers to the main one are supplied, and I use this to complete it once I can no longer move along on my own. The answers to the second one comes the following day, and I don't get that paper, so I never actually finish it sometimes, but it is easier, and there is a good chance I finish it on my own. The third one, that comes in the tv section, isn't that hard, but if you want the answers you need to wait until next week.

I don't play bridge, but there is an article that poses scenarios to get you thinking about that too.
 
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Finding my keys presents me with as much intellectual challenge as I can handle.
 
Just want to resurrect this thread with some relevant findings.

On one of the Skeptoid podcasts, Dunning discusses the effectiveness of electronic brain games, like you find online and sold for game systems. There was a study of around 5000 participants divided into control and test groups, and no difference was found across an array of skills for any of the groups, suggesting that using brain training does nothing for actual brain exercise.

I don't see any reason why this wouldn't translate into Sudoku also.
 
I'm finding learning to read music to be a great brain exercise. I'd like to be able to read notes and rests as quick as I can the English language. Maybe give that a whirl
 
But Noah, Carey's point was that other than learning to read music, there is no point to learning to read music. It will not, frinstance. enable you to play Sudoku better. Nor vice-verse.

But I sure wish I could learn to read music. I tired to teach myself Clarinet. After a couple years, I still needed a cheat sheet with notes on lines, with letters in them. I just can't keep a letter to a finger. I just lack the rote memory talent. I had a tough time with the alphabet, still can't tell which letter comes after which unless I start reciting at A. And multiplication tables too. I have the concepts of math, I understand processes, Aced high school chemistry. But rote memorization ain't in me.
I didn't even try Anatomy or Biology. And soft ware program names? I don't even try. No connection between name meaning and process. Blue Tooth does WHAAAT? And I'm a mechanic. If I can take it apart and figure out how it works, I can fix it.

So I tried that tack with music. Why 12 notes, called an Octave, and on 5 lines? I know that! 'Key' names, I never caught on to. Or the meanings of those clef things. It all needs rote memorization. Such connections in my brain just don't seem to want to be made. Never did.

I have a good memory overall, just not for random lists. Processes, yes. I know how to recreate lists, if there was a process to it. Maybe the right kind of menomic system would help. But Sudoku ain't it. (I just had to spell check 'Sudoku'. again. No rhyme or reason to it's spelling, foreign word.) Yup, Soduku ain't my savoir.
 
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Just want to resurrect this thread with some relevant findings.

On one of the Skeptoid podcasts, Dunning discusses the effectiveness of electronic brain games, like you find online and sold for game systems. There was a study of around 5000 participants divided into control and test groups, and no difference was found across an array of skills for any of the groups, suggesting that using brain training does nothing for actual brain exercise.

I don't see any reason why this wouldn't translate into Sudoku also.

That just shows that the skills you learn don't transfer to other tasks. It doesn't demonstrate that the mental exercise is no good for you. I'm pretty sure that age-related mental decline is negatively correlated with mental exercise (and physical exercise) levels.

Eg http://www.neurology.org/content/61/6/812.short

However it really doesn't seem to matter what type of mental activity you engage in.
 

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