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Is Atheism based on Logic or Faith?

Navigator said:
I wouldn't argue it is everything, but in relation to subjectivity it is objective reality. Your subjective experience within it is unique.
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What does objective reality mean? How can something subjective be in an objective reality?
Please clarify and not just use the words objective and subjective :)
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
What does objective reality mean? How can something subjective be in an objective reality?
Please clarify and not just use the words objective and subjective :)
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An uprepossed but intuitive weltaanschaung can of itself be nonpartisan but manifested in non-abstract concreteness.
 
dafydd said:
I can't do that butty. This is philosophy and it would be against the rules.
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So aside from that I misspelled and used poor wording;

Please again, please explain using as close to everyday words and examples as possible :)
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your contribution amounts to what? That you can uses words in a funny way? Do you have anything else to contribute?

With regards
Tommy
 
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Tommy Jeppesen said:
So aside from that I misspelled and used poor wording;



your contribution amounts to what? That you can uses words in a funny way? Do you have anything else to contribute?

With regards
Tommy
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Atheism is based on logic. Logic and lack of evidence tells me that gods are imaginary beings, creations of the human mind.
 
dafydd said:
You don't know what they are?
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I know based on prior experience that different people understand and describe logic and evidence differently. Since I don't know your understanding of these words, I don't assume that I know them, but rather I ask so we won't by talking past each other. Now if you can't be "bothered" to explain, I accept that you ask me how I understand these word and I will explain it, but know that it involves philosophy. :)
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
I know based on prior experience that different people understand and describe logic and evidence differently. Since I don't know your understanding of these words, I don't assume that I know them, but rather I ask so we won't by talking past each other. Now if you can't be "bothered" to explain, I accept that you ask me how I understand these word and I will explain it, but know that it involves philosophy. :)
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I use the words in their commonly accepted definitions.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
What does objective reality mean? How can something subjective be in an objective reality?
Please clarify and not just use the words objective and subjective :)
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Well, since you use those words, those words can be used.

If I existed in this universe but everyone else did not experience the same universe as I even that they were in the same universe, I would be experiencing an absolute subjective reality.

Since this is not the case, but I am still experiencing subjective reality then the big bit agree upon to do with the objective environment we are each subjectively experiencing (overall 'the universe' more specifically, being on the planet earth) is experienced as individualized subjective reality.

IF say we were more of a 'hive-minded' species we could still have subjective reality but also be intimately aware of a collective reality which would be more objective because the data of experience we each individually had would be processed in the group mind and we each would have access to that data flow and would act more as one being.
That one being however, would still have a subjective outlook - think of itself as one being, and all of its individual parts as of itself.
The individual parts would also think of themselves as one being, together.

Such a species would be more suited to this universe.



As to how something subjective can be in an objective reality, I don't know how. All I know is that it does.
 
Navigator said:
As to how something subjective can be in an objective reality, I don't know how. All I know is that it does.
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When you say subjective do you mean an idea and/or an opinion? To put it simply, you and I might have a different subjective opinion of a rock band, but the band objectively exists. Are our subjective opinions part of the reality of the universe?
 
dafydd said:
When you say subjective do you mean an idea and/or an opinion?
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These are part of the subjective experience but I do not mean these only.
I mean each persons whole existence and experience as an individual human being, from go to whoa.

dafydd said:
To put it simply, you and I might have a different subjective opinion of a rock band, but the band objectively exists.
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The band objectively exists and is the same band from our different perspectives.
However our opinions on the band being different are simply subjective opinions.
The bands subjective parts are in a way objectified in the music they perform together. Remove any part of that (a band member/instrument) and the music changes.

How the bands individual members see you or I and what opinion they might each have about us is also subjective.


dafydd said:
Are our subjective opinions part of the reality of the universe?
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Yes. They may have no known or knowable bearing on how the universe unfolds but in relation to how life on earth unfolds they may have some bearing.
 
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