Is AE9/11truth / Dick Gage a "truth" monopoly?

DGM

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I'm at a loss to find any organisation that is involved with "truthers" that does not funnel through Richard Gage. The "independent" Mark Bassile dust study is connected (that points back to ANETA). NYCCAN in an off-shoot. Every place these believers are asked to donate, Richard Gage has a hand.

AE9/11truth is a non-profit classified the same as a church. Is Gage now their only savior?
 
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DGM said:
I'm at a loss to find any organisation that is involved with "truthers" that does not funnel through Richard Gage. The "independent" Mark Bassile dust study is connected (that points back to ANETA). NYCCAN in an off-shoot. Every place these believers are asked to donate, Richard Gage has a hand.

AE9/11truth is a non-profit classified the same as a church. Is Gage now their only savior?
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Sounds more like a racket than a monopoly.
 
A post from another thread:

Brainster said:
Some of you might find the analysis of Gage's organization from an insider perspective interesting.
Of course, Box Boy isn't letting his cash cow out of his control.
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Richard Gage has done a lot for AE911Truth and the 9/11 Truth movement. The petition and the
website have brought credibility. But decisions Gage has made or failed to make are hurting
AE911Truth and limiting its productivity despite significant financial resources. My analysis
deals with eight problem areas in the structure and the day to day operations of AE911Truth.
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The sad part of this is after years of work at AE he still believes there is a purpose outside of Gages' pay check. Talk about clueless.
 
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DGM said:
The sad part of this is after years of work at AE he still believes there is a purpose outside of Gages' pay check. Talk about clueless.
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I would gladly talk about your self-professed hobbyist purpose here but that would be deemed too personal.

What little income Richard Gage derives from his active support of AE911 is well deserved in my opinion.
 
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Miragememories said:
What little income Richard Gage derives of his active support of AE911 is well deserved in my opinion.
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Would this be due to his achievements?

He makes more now then he did at his old job. A lot more. Pay and benefits/perks he makes well over 150K a year for "truth"*. ;)



* yes I have proof but, MM knows it's true.
 
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Miragememories said:
I would gladly talk about your self-professed hobbyist purpose here but that would be deemed too personal.
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I'm intrigued by this off hand comment. My purpose was spelled out in the OP. Do you have anything to contribute to this thread?

You are correct that this is a hobby. I'm not paid (and I can't image why anyone would pay me for this).
 
This is a very recent turn in the organization of 9/11 conspiracy theories. In the past, anyone who needed a major forum to promote the idea had to go through We Are Change. WAC was a group run for many years by Luke Rudkowski. They were the sole organizers of the conspiracy memorial event for the 9/11 attacks that took place at Ground Zero. Luke also organized many other events that brought together conspiracy theory leadership and others you could think of as the armed wing of the conspiracy theory movement. Gage never appeared at an event that was not an AE9/11T event unless it was organzied by Luke.

Luke disappeared from the picture after his friends at WAC discovered he had funneled tens of thousands of their dollars into his personal bank account in a way they could not recover. He was replaced by Craig Fitzgerald as the most prominent member. Craig is basically a neo-fascist and reportedly suffers from health problems. As a result, WAC has vanished as a meaningful platform for anything.

It's just a natural section thing. Someone has to be the last one left.
 
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Miragememories said:
I would gladly talk about your self-professed hobbyist purpose here but that would be deemed too personal.
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So you'll just passive-aggressively make remarks about it that just skirt violating the rules.

What little income Richard Gage derives from his active support of AE911 is well deserved in my opinion.
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Yes, it must be hard work, stacking those cardboard boxes on top of each other.
 
000063 said:
Yes, it must be hard work, stacking those cardboard boxes on top of each other.
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It's like my thread from a few years ago, where no one on the truther side was able to clearly identify anything that Richard Gage has done professionally to justify the money they spend on him.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219881


The best they could come up with is that he's a great cheerleader.

Nice to see some of them are still okay with that.
 
A few factual corrections in order:
1) AE911 is organized as an educational nonprofit, not as a church. Both are 501 (c) (3) but within that section of the Internal Revenue Code the two types of organizations are treated differently (more accountability for educational than churches).
2) Gage does not make $500,000 (that is gross revenues for the nonprofit). I don't think he makes even $150,000. His personal income (not counting expenses) is more like half of that, and BTW he now makes about half of what he did as an architect.
3) He works hard and puts in incredibly long hours.
4) His travels are no picnic. Anyone who has to travel a lot on the job knows how draining that is, and to count travel expenses as income is unfair and inaccurate. When he visits Denver he sleeps in a supporter's spare bedroom in a small old house and eats simply.
I believe he's wrong in his beliefs about 9/11, but he's going about his work in a way I would not consider exploitative. There's lots of us here at JREF making more money than him in our work, and I doubt any of us work as many hours as he does.
 
Give me a break, Chris. I travel extensively, and while it's draining, if you enjoy it then it's great. My travel and expense budget, while not technically income, augments my lifestyle tremendously.

Did Dick Gage live "simply" in Sydney? Or in Kuala Lumpur? Dublin? Edinburgh? Las Vegas? Nassau, Bahamas?
 
chrismohr said:
A few factual corrections in order:
1) AE911 is organized as an educational nonprofit, not as a church. Both are 501 (c) (3) but within that section of the Internal Revenue Code the two types of organizations are treated differently (more accountability for educational than churches).
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The distinction effects how staff can be compensated and how they need to report it (more than anything else). There is a lot of room for perks in both organisations.
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2) Gage does not make $500,000 (that is gross revenues for the nonprofit). I don't think he makes even $150,000. His personal income (not counting expenses) is more like half of that, and BTW he now makes about half of what he did as an architect.
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I never said he made that much. His reported compensation for 2012 was $92,589. Do you have evidence that as an architect he made as much as you claim? Given his position in the firm he was last in, I would find it hard to believe. If you include perks he now receives, his compensation is well north of $150K.
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3) He works hard and puts in incredibly long hours.
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And he's compensated very well for this. I'd question his effectiveness, but that's a discussion for another day.
chrismohr said:
4) His travels are no picnic. Anyone who has to travel a lot on the job knows how draining that is, and to count travel expenses as income is unfair and inaccurate. When he visits Denver he sleeps in a supporter's spare bedroom in a small old house and eats simply.
I believe he's wrong in his beliefs about 9/11, but he's going about his work in a way I would not consider exploitative. There's lots of us here at JREF making more money than him in our work, and I doubt any of us work as many hours as he does.
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It can be counted if he's not actually spending the amount the company claims. Amounts claimed do not indicate he's roughing it. What is your basis for the number of hours he actually works? Is it him? ;)
 
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chrismohr said:
A few factual corrections in order:
1) AE911 is organized as an educational nonprofit, not as a church. Both are 501 (c) (3) but within that section of the Internal Revenue Code the two types of organizations are treated differently (more accountability for educational than churches).
2) Gage does not make $500,000 (that is gross revenues for the nonprofit). I don't think he makes even $150,000. His personal income (not counting expenses) is more like half of that, and BTW he now makes about half of what he did as an architect.
3) He works hard and puts in incredibly long hours.
4) His travels are no picnic. Anyone who has to travel a lot on the job knows how draining that is, and to count travel expenses as income is unfair and inaccurate. When he visits Denver he sleeps in a supporter's spare bedroom in a small old house and eats simply.
I believe he's wrong in his beliefs about 9/11, but he's going about his work in a way I would not consider exploitative. There's lots of us here at JREF making more money than him in our work, and I doubt any of us work as many hours as he does.
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LOL, Gage is a liar, and he pays himself to to keep taxes down - if he take more money for salary, he would be taxed an extra 1,000 dollars on each 10,000 dollars he pays himself - airline tickets!!! Thus if he paid himself 60,000 more dollars, 6,000 dollars would be lost to the IRS - that is a lot of travel money gone.

Oh, he acts all humble... and lies about 911.
What is sad he has picked up the pilots for truth "offer no theory" BS, as he claims CD, thermite and high explosives - ALL big lies.

This is not hard work, it is fraud. All Gage has to do is make a presentation - some equal to a thesis for a masters degree, and repeat it in London, Spain, and all over the world.

Gage is a pathetic human who lies about 911 to make money.
Gage travel is like compensation, as all his expenses are paid for by the 500,000 he has fooled people with lies to donate to a do nothing but travel and ask for more money. Gage mocks those murdered on 911 to make money. If he believes what he claims, he is dumber than dirt.

Why does Gage travel if it is so hard on him? Hotels, meals, travel, are not hardships when you have 500,000 dollars to fund it.

He works hard? BS, he has plagiarized just the right lies to help keep the donations coming.

19 terrorists did 911, and Gage lies about it. What a failed human who is spreading lies, insane, or too stupid to figure out 911.

Free meals, free hotels, free flights - Gage loves it.

All Gage wants is a new investigation - What a scam - he offer nothing but talk and people send him money.

Spreading lies about 911 is sick; is Richard Gage sick, or a liar for a buck.

Travel is no picnic? lol - when you don't have to pay the bills, it is a picnic - wait, it is more like a night out at a great place to eat - lol


Any good cult leader has to put on a show, and Gage does it. When is Gage's comet coming to pick up his followers? Kool-aid and Gage-Bopp comet... Woo-Gate-Gage-Scam
 
carlitos said:
Give me a break, Chris. I travel extensively, and while it's draining, if you enjoy it then it's great. My travel and expense budget, while not technically income, augments my lifestyle tremendously.
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I have to agree. I traveled extensively for work in the late 1990s -- every week to and from California and Seattle, and this was during the technology boom when the company nickel very handily afforded me a style of living I could never have otherwise afforded for myself. Plus, having my full salary and my expenses paid for was a definite boon. If Gage pays himself a generous salary and pays for his living and travel expenses out of organization funds aside from his salary, that's a major win.

It was a drain only in the sense that I was always on the move. But I never wanted for anything.
 
carlitos said:
Did Dick Gage live "simply" in Sydney? Or in Kuala Lumpur? Dublin? Edinburgh? Las Vegas? Nassau, Bahamas?
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Or London? Madrid? Vienna? Geneva? Paris? Aachen? Brussels? Hamburg? Berlin?

http://www2.ae911truth.org/events/eurotour/

Seems logical though; The best way to whip up support for a new investigation for something that falls under US Federal Jurisdiction is a tour through the heart of old Europe. Makes perfect sense to me.
 
chrismohr said:
3) He works hard and puts in incredibly long hours.
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This is something I've heard Dick say, and others say about him, but I've always wondered: What exactly is he doing during all these "incredibly long hours"?

We know he's not doing original research; all his stuff is just copied from others.

We know he's not making extensive edits to his presentation; it demonstrably still contains errors that were pointed out years ago.

What else is there for him to do? He has occasionally visited Congress, and professional architect meetings, but that only adds up to "incredibly long hours" for a couple of weeks at best. He organizes bus ads and the like, but again, it's mostly the same content, and buying some ads shouldn't take that much time.

So what else is he doing all day? Just hanging around the office surfing the web isn't what most people would consider "incredibly long hours".
 
Horatius said:
We know he's not making extensive edits to his presentation; it demonstrably still contains errors that were pointed out years ago.
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I believe that's the biggest problem with professional conspiracy hucksters: Fixing those errors would hurt his income. It amounts to a conflict of interest that he pays himself to keep presenting that same nonsense rather than to actually seek the truth.
 
OK I'd agree that all the free food and transportation that comes with travel is a perk. That's a tax break anyone who travels at work gets. Still, Gage travels coach and watches the ol' budget. I just think that going after Gage;s sakary and perks instead of the content of his lectures is entirely the wrong way to go.
 
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