Moderated Iron sun with Aether batteries...

[brantc]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

Originally Posted by brantc View Post
Yeah. Lets do it. I was falling asleep for a minute there!! Lets have some fun!!! Maybe we should do a new thread??

So my model is pretty different(woo) for all you skeps out there but dont go calling me names, ask real questions.

An aether powered iron sun is necessary for the activity that we see on the solar surface.

Solar flares are the result of thermionic emission from a solid surface.

The iron sun does not over heat because some of the heat is carried away by the solar wind and CME's(coronal rain). The other part is IR which passes through the photosphere to the earth.

Neutrino emission is from fusion activity on the surface of the sun in the form of blinkers, nano flares and other small flare activity as well as large flares..

The corona is from an electric field.

GO!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing to do with magnetic reconnection. Start a new thread. Invite Micheal Mozina in and we will rehash all of the obvious physical facts why this is a really dumb idea.

GO!!!!!!!!!!

No. This will be my crash and burn alone...

 

[Reality Check]

What part of the Sun emits a nearly black body spectrum of 5777 K

No. This will be my crash and burn alone...

Yes you will crash and burn with this dumb idea !

Some of the questions for Micheal Mozina's Iron Sun model are applicable here. So lets start with:
First asked 24 March 2010
brantc
What part of the Sun emits a nearly black body spectrum with an effective temperature of 5777 K?

As sol invictus posted in the magnetic reconnection thread:

OK, here's a real question.

Melting point of iron: 1811K
Temperature of the surface of the sun (as measured directly from the black-body spectrum it emits): 5777K

How are those consistent with the idea that the surface is solid iron?

By the way, let me head off a few possible answers.

possible answer 1: the solar temperature we measure is from a region above the solid iron surface.

response: if so, it is impossible for us to see the iron surface, because all but a very small fraction of the sunlight we see must be coming from a region with temperature 5777K since it has a nearly perfect blackbody spectrum. So what evidence do you have that the iron surface is there? You'll also have to explain how the sun gets so much colder as you go in, clarify what you mean by "surface" in that case, etc. But start with the basics - how can we see it?

possible answer 2: the solar temperature is of a region below the solid iron one.

response: solid iron is opaque. If it's glowing because it's hot, then that glow is what we're seeing, and if so the temperature must be below 1811K. But it's not, it's 5777K.

possible answer 3: there are a range of temperatures in sunlight.

response: That simply isn't true. Sunlight has a nearly perfect black body spectrum:

[URL="http://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/~jma/thesis/online/figures/make_figures/blackbody.gif"]http://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/~jma/thesis/online/figures/make_figures/blackbody.gif[/URL]

 

[Tim Thompson]

Questions on the Aether Powered Sun

Well, we can start with the question raised by the Unconquered Sun:

OK, here's a real question.

Melting point of iron: 1811K
Temperature of the surface of the sun (as measured directly from the black-body spectrum it emits): 5777K

How are those consistent with the idea that the surface is solid iron?


By the way, let me head off a few possible answers.

possible answer 1: the solar temperature we measure is from a region above the solid iron surface.

response: if so, it is impossible for us to see the iron surface, because all but a very small fraction of the sunlight we see must be coming from a region with temperature 5777K since it has a nearly perfect blackbody spectrum. So what evidence do you have that the iron surface is there? You'll also have to explain how the sun gets so much colder as you go in, clarify what you mean by "surface" in that case, etc. But start with the basics - how can we see it?

possible answer 2: the solar temperature is of a region below the solid iron one.

response: solid iron is opaque. If it's glowing because it's hot, then that glow is what we're seeing, and if so the temperature must be below 1811K. But it's not, it's 5777K.

possible answer 3: there are a range of temperatures in sunlight.

response: That simply isn't true. Sunlight has a nearly perfect black body spectrum:

http://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/~jma/thesis/online/figures/make_figures/blackbody.gif

And add two of my own.
Nuclear fusion reactions generate both neutrinos and gamma rays. However, from the sun we see only neutrinos, but none of the gamma rays. If, as you say, "neutrino emission is from fusion activity on the surface of the sun", then the obvious question is ... Where are all the gamma rays that we should see but don't see?

The second question is much easier. Can you be a bit more explicit on one point: What does "aether powered" mean?

 

[Dancing David]

What is the aether, how is it observed?

 

[Skwinty]

What's with the 1920's cosmology obsession.
Cecilia Payne ended the common belief in the iron core sun.

 

[Zep]

What is the aether, how is it observed?

Ask Michelson and Morley. They will have a right good answer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment

 

[dafydd]

Don't Duracell batteries go further?

 

[Skwinty]

Don't Duracell batteries go further?

WTF. The energiser bunny is there as well

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Surely all the answers are here?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5401877#post5401877

For a real explanation, I suggest that Mr Voight be asked to join this thread.

 

[Toke]

I think that aether sounds like a great idea, it could explain the nature of light and radio waves as waves in the aether. I also happen to know that it is so good that it was tested quite rigorously and found wrong.

 

[HansMustermann]

And add two of my own.
Nuclear fusion reactions generate both neutrinos and gamma rays. However, from the sun we see only neutrinos, but none of the gamma rays. If, as you say, "neutrino emission is from fusion activity on the surface of the sun", then the obvious question is ... Where are all the gamma rays that we should see but don't see?

The answer to that is the same basically as to why it has a nearly black body radiation. The superheated gas is opaque. Any photons emitted, gamma rays included, will promptly be absorbed and converted into heat. The only light that escapes the Sun comes from the surface and is simply the emission of a black body at that temperature. The fusion doesn't happen on the surface, hence you don't see it.

Neutrinos on the other hand, don't interact with matter much except through gravity. The ones emitted in the core will pass right through half the sun and be on their merry way.

 

[Tim Thompson]

Rabbit Powered Sun

WTF. The energiser bunny is there as well

A-Ha! That's the secret! In western cultures we see a "man in the moon", but not so in east asia, where they see a "rabbit in the moon". For centuries the Chinese have been trying to tell us that they can see the Energizer Bunny in the moon.

So, all the while we have been thinking that the moon shines with reflected sunlight, but we were wrong, it's the other way around. Clearly it's the moon that shines with its own light, and the sun which "reflects" the moon. More appropriately, the sun "shines" because it is excited by electric currents that flow from the moon at just the right frequency to make the sun resonate. That's why the sun looks so much brighter than the moon, it resonates whereas the moon does not.

And we have observational proof that this must be so! See Precise Measurements of Gravity Variations During a Total Solar Eclipse. When the moon gets between Earth and the sun, there is slightly less gravity. That's because gravity is electromagnetic and since we can't see the electric current flowing from the other side of the moon towards the sun, we see less gravity too.

Ha! So much for "standard science".

 

[Almo]

An aether powered iron sun is necessary for the activity that we see on the solar surface.

Utter nonsense. This is preposterous. If the sun were iron, nothing would work right.

One example:

Earth's orbital parameters, the sun's distance and mass are well known due to Newtonian physics. Combined with the distance and visual size of the sun we get its density, which is not at all commensurate with it being made of iron.

 

[Myriad]

On the other hand, "Iron Sun with Aether Batteries" would be a great title for a new Yu-gi-oh! card.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Hellbound]

Utter nonsense. This is preposterous. If the sun were iron, nothing would work right.

One example:

Earth's orbital parameters, the sun's distance and mass are well known due to Newtonian physics. Combined with the distance and visual size of the sun we get its density, which is not at all commensurate with it being made of iron.

Unless it's hollow !

 

[Fnord]

I think that aether sounds like a great idea, it could explain the nature of light and radio waves as waves in the aether. I also happen to know that it is so good that it was tested quite rigorously and found wrong.

Other great ideas:

There is no such thing as "Electronics". All of those liitle components contain magix smoke. Let the smoke out, and the component stops working.

Also, copper wiring transmits light, not electrons. Restrict the flow of light through a very thin wire (the filament of an incandescent lamp) and much of the light will leak out. Let all of the light out of a copper wire (or fuse) and it will stop working, as well.

 

[Ziggurat]

Unless it's hollow !

Which is exactly what Michael Mozina (who is, as far as I can tell, the author of this particular insanity) thinks. Aside from all the other problems with this theory, there's also the fact that it would be gravitationally unstable, and would collapse inwards in short order. When this was pointed out to him, he tried using some videos of experiments with water bubbles in space to justify it, ignoring the fact that surface tension is significant and gravity is insignificant for a small water bubble in space, but the reverse would be true for a shell the size of the sun.

 

[Almo]

Which is exactly what Michael Mozina (who is, as far as I can tell, the author of this particular insanity) thinks. Aside from all the other problems with this theory, there's also the fact that it would be gravitationally unstable, and would collapse inwards in short order. When this was pointed out to him, he tried using some videos of experiments with water bubbles in space to justify it, ignoring the fact that surface tension is significant and gravity is insignificant for a small water bubble in space, but the reverse would be true for a shell the size of the sun.

Wow man. Just wow.

 

[Hellbound]

Which is exactly what Michael Mozina (who is, as far as I can tell, the author of this particular insanity) thinks. Aside from all the other problems with this theory, there's also the fact that it would be gravitationally unstable, and would collapse inwards in short order. When this was pointed out to him, he tried using some videos of experiments with water bubbles in space to justify it, ignoring the fact that surface tension is significant and gravity is insignificant for a small water bubble in space, but the reverse would be true for a shell the size of the sun.

Yeah, until you remember that aether acts as anti-gravity. See, it all fits!

 

[Toke]

Other great ideas:

There is no such thing as "Electronics". All of those liitle components contain magix smoke. Let the smoke out, and the component stops working.

Yes, well known fact.

Also, copper wiring transmits light, not electrons. Restrict the flow of light through a very thin wire (the filament of an incandescent lamp) and much of the light will leak out. Let all of the light out of a copper wire (or fuse) and it will stop working, as well.

I did once make a extension cord between a vga card and a led screen, at first it stopped working if there were more than 15-20 letters on the screen.
(So I used some more wires for the power supply pins)

I tried to convince my boss that the problem were how many letters could fit through a 0,25mm² wire.