Iran War in Prophecy

[Davidjayjordan]

Because a war with Iran is needed to bring the whole world into desperately searching for a COVENANT to bring the world back from a near WW3. Maybe we can discuss why the upcoming Iranian War is being set up and then discuss its ramifications even as it is going on.

So to start, the powers that be always need an excuse to go to war..

And so surely this could be that excuse as posted today..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/ap_on_re_eu/british_troops_iran

LONDON - Iranian naval vessels seized 15 British sailors in Iraqi waters on Friday, the Ministry of Defense said.
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The British Navy personnel were "engaged in routine boarding operations of merchant shipping in Iraqi territorial waters," and had completed their inspection of a merchant ship when they were accosted by Iranian vessels, the ministry said.
"We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level and ... the Iranian ambassador has been summoned to the Foreign Office," the ministry said. Pentagon official said the Britons were in two inflatable boats from the frigate H.M.S. Cornwall during a routine smuggling investigation, said the official, who spoke on condition on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the incident.
He said the confrontation happened as the British contingent was traveling along the boundary of territorial waters between Iraq. They were detained by the Revolutionary Guard's navy, he said.
A fisherman who said he was with a group of Iraqis from the southern city of Basra fishing in Iraqi waters in the northern area of the Gulf said he saw the Iranian seizure. The fisherman declined to be identified because of security concerns.
"Two boats, each with a crew of six to eight multinational forces, were searching Iraqi and Iranian boats Friday morning in Ras al-Beesha area in the northern entrance of the Arab Gulf, but big Iranian boats came and took the two boats with their crews to the Iranian waters."
The Britain government said it had demanded "the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."

And it just so happens by luck and chance the Americans have their air craft carriers in place..... or was it by design... for their comrades the British

 

[MRC_Hans]

What was the prophecy, again? Please be quite specific.

Hans

 

[Athyrio]

So to start, the powers that be always need an excuse to go to war..

And so surely this could be that excuse as posted today..

If i had known that DJJ was going to absolutely soil his nappies over this one, i would have posted my reply here rather than in the thread where he first mentioned it.

So pardon my spam.


Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan in the Prophecy Timeline Thread
This appears to be the set-up excuse to go to war with Iran..



Hey, are we making a prediction here?

Bear in mind, the Iranians detained 8 British crewmen for 3 days in June 2004 before releasing them. You are just so, so anxious to be correct for a change.

It is a satisfying feeling, one that has eluded you for your entire existence.

Even if the USA does have a shooting match with Iran, it does not mean that 10 nations will sign a peace treaty, that the temple will suddenly be rebuilt, flying saucers will suddenly invade, or that men will shoot fire out of their mouths.
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[RenaissanceBiker]

Because a war with Iran is needed to bring the whole world into desperately searching for a COVENANT to bring the world back from a near WW3.

I disagree with the PREMISE of your arguement. Prophesy is irrelevant.

 

[Apathia]

With a little bit of luck, Providence will intervene and there will be a war with Iran. The US will become involved to hasten the return of Christ.
David is not the only prophecy pundant predicting a war with Iran. A quick Google shows a number of them not on the same page as David but the same drift. So imagine if our Fundy President decides that he's the "decider" who will help fulfill the prophicies. His policies regarding Israel amd Palestine are already in part shaped by his religion. I wonder if Dubya is reading this stuff.
Say it isn't so!

 

[Davidjayjordan]

What was the prophecy, again? Please be quite specific.

Hans

This is not a specific prophecy, but a logical rational spiritual deductive one....as even non prophetic types should be able to see it coming.

The Covenant is the basic of all End Time Prophecy and it will only be convened when TEN nations get so desperate that they force a PEACE COVENANT and all combatants. It is military, economic and political... and brings together all sides the Jews, Muslims and Christians, so that the oil can flow and the countries can exist, and the religionists can abide together.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html

So thanks for the introductory question.... even though surely you didn;t want my introductory answer

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I disagree with the PREMISE of your arguement. Prophesy is irrelevant.

Yes, I agree renaissance Biker, your prophecy is surely irrelevant, but the Lord's Prophecy which is unconditional is NOT. For there is a design to life and a plot and a climax...and this fanale is not conditional but set in stone or let;s say in words and events.

But if you want to believe you can ride your bike into the sunset without thinking about the Iranian war, so be it. The Iranian War is still a coming.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

If i had known that DJJ was going to absolutely soil his nappies over this one, i would have posted my reply here rather than in the thread where he first mentioned it.

So pardon my spam.


Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan [URL]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif[/URL]in the Prophecy Timeline Thread
This appears to be the set-up excuse to go to war with Iran..



Hey, are we making a prediction here?

Bear in mind, the Iranians detained 8 British crewmen for 3 days in June 2004 before releasing them. You are just so, so anxious to be correct for a change.

It is a satisfying feeling, one that has eluded you for your entire existence.

Even if the USA does have a shooting match with Iran, it does not mean that 10 nations will sign a peace treaty, that the temple will suddenly be rebuilt, flying saucers will suddenly invade, or that men will shoot fire out of their mouths.
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Bjorn Bjorn Bjorn..... still doubting, the obvious. I mean anyone with half a brain and a little common sense knows the US/Britian and Israel are and have been planning this war for years. I mean the current events brethren know it just from the logistics and economics and the dementia of these countries. They need another war to divert the attention of their complacent stus quo masses from getting away from the wars, that have made their rich soooo much richer.

But there are greater powers than mere countries...and again you loyal citizens of the status quo shall balk and scream that no one is above the duly elected figure heads like Dubya....

So Thus saith DJJ, obviously a war in Iran is coming and the ships are in position, the excuse just needs to be inflated, and the War of Tonkin excuse plopy forgotten as escalation brings on the planned war with Iran.

And it just so happens to have been at the straits, giving America and ALL and excuse to try and secure the straits for their prize... the flow of oil.

But it shall not be... for the Lord is allowing His prophecy to go on, as war is needed to bring on the Covenant.... and then even the Palestinian problem can be part and parcel of the solution, and then israel can gain access to the Mount, and then build its 3rd temple.

Onward Christian prophecy and soldiers marching as to war.

But the complacent and lazy and sloughful and the false skeptics will remain so, but the true skeptics will look for answers and be forewarned..

 

[Darth Rotor]

Because a war with Iran is needed to bring the whole world into desperately searching for a COVENANT to bring the world back from a near WW3.

The world does not need a war to prevent a World War III, David, and it surely does not need more war in the Persian Gulf. For one thing, it would jack the price of oil up for a while, and thus put a curb on the global economy. Who gets pinched hardest when that happens? The little guy.

Maybe we can discuss why the upcoming Iranian War is being set up and then discuss its ramifications even as it is going on.

I suggest to you that the Russians have cock blocked the Cheney/Bush agenda to begin bombing Iran, if it is more than a bluff, with their recent freeze on shipping nuclear fuel to Iran, and their strong arm move to force Mahmoud and his team of 38 to the UNSC for more work on development of their (allegedly) peaceful, electrical power generating nuclear plants.

Russia has informed Iran that it will withhold nuclear fuel for Iran’s nearly completed Bushehr power plant unless Iran suspends its uranium enrichment as demanded by the United Nations Security Council, European, American and Iranian officials said.

The ultimatum was delivered in Moscow last week by Igor Ivanov, Russia’s Security Council Secretary, to Ali Hosseini Tash, Iran’s deputy chief nuclear negotiator, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because a confidential diplomatic exchange between two governments was involved.

For years, President Bush has been pressing President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia to cut off help to Iran on the nuclear reactor, which is Tehran’s first serious effort to produce nuclear energy and has been highly profitable for Russia. But Mr. Putin has resisted.

Recently, however, Moscow and Tehran have been engaged in a public argument about whether Iran has paid its bills, in a dispute that may explain Russia’s apparent shift. The ultimatum may also reflect Moscow’s increasing displeasure and frustration with Iran over its refusal to stop enriching uranium at its vast facility at Natanz.

So to start, the powers that be always need an excuse to go to war..

And so surely this could be that excuse as posted today..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/ap_on_re_eu/british_troops_iran

Bullspit. Just under three years ago, something similar happened. June of 2004, while I was over in that part of the world. It was quite the to do for a few days, and then it all got sorted out diplomatically.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-21-iran_x.htm
Basically, Brits patrolling for smugglers and infiltrators near the Shatt Al Arab were taken into custody by Iranian forces, and after some days of negotiation, were returned to the British forces in the region.

The process for sorting this sort of thing out is already in place. This incident on the high seas is not the Danzig incident.

And it just so happens by luck and chance the Americans have their air craft carriers in place..... or was it by design... for their comrades the British

The carriers have been in place for some weeks, partly as a show of force aimed at Iran, partly to support the surge into Baghdad with more air support, and partly as forces on hand in case a strike on Iran is ordered . . . for no reason a rational person can support.

DR

 

[cyborg]

Predicting war in the Middle East?

Well, that would be unexpected.

 

[Thomas1016]

Prophecy aside a war with Iran is all but inevitable since the Iranian leadership seeks a return of a quasi persian empire. The diffrence being now though instead of actually conquering land like King Xerxes did Iran seeks to be like the United States so to speak (exerting it's influence) in the Middle East only doing it through threats, religeous undermining, and terrorism. this time though where xerxes was motivated by power mainly Iran today is motivated by power and religeous extremism the latter being much more dangerous.

Watch I bet the taking of the 15 british soldiers is calculated to try and force the United States to return the revelutionary guard commanders it captured in Iraq. If the United States doesnt give in then I'm sure it will cause more friction with the british public. The danger to Iran though is this could escalate into somthing much bigger giving Israel or bush the needed cover to take out Irans nuclear facilities. Personaly I think the United States would prefere to have Israel take them out. no matter what though a war is coming and there is a very real possiblity of it turning nuclear.

 

[Athyrio]

Bjorn Bjorn Bjorn..... still doubting, the obvious. I mean anyone with half a brain and a little common sense knows the US/Britian and Israel are and have been planning this war for years.

And once again, DJJ fails to understand a post. That's the difference between teaching and preaching. You are so, so trying to get your message of nonsense out that you fail to absorb what is being said to you. Try reading, Jordan, for a change. Reports of your lack of the ability to comprehend are greatly underemphasized.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Prophecy aside a war with Iran is all but inevitable since the Iranian leadership seeks a return of a quasi persian empire. The diffrence being now though instead of actually conquering land like King Xerxes did Iran seeks to be like the United States so to speak (exerting it's influence) in the Middle East only doing it through threats, religeous undermining, and terrorism. this time though where xerxes was motivated by power mainly Iran today is motivated by power and religeous extremism the latter being much more dangerous.

Watch I bet the taking of the 15 british soldiers is calculated to try and force the United States to return the revelutionary guard commanders it captured in Iraq. If the United States doesnt give in then I'm sure it will cause more friction with the british public. The danger to Iran though is this could escalate into somthing much bigger giving Israel or bush the needed cover to take out Irans nuclear facilities. Personaly I think the United States would prefere to have Israel take them out. no matter what though a war is coming and there is a very real possiblity of it turning nuclear.

A load of bollocks, with the exception of the bolded part, which I'll bet with you on, though I'm not 100% sure. Please see my link to the capture of Brits in 2004 in similar circumstances.

The rest, I bet against, as it is cartoon geopolitical analysis, particularly the nuclear gambit.

DR

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

Yes, I agree renaissance Biker, your prophecy is surely irrelevant, but the Lord's Prophecy which is unconditional is NOT. For there is a design to life and a plot and a climax...and this fanale is not conditional but set in stone or let;s say in words and events.

But if you want to believe you can ride your bike into the sunset without thinking about the Iranian war, so be it. The Iranian War is still a coming.

I didn't make a prophesy, you did. I didn't deny that a war with Iran is coming. It is possible, but no one knows for certain about that not even you. When you put words in my mouth, you end up arguing with yourself. For example:

Davidjayjordan, how do you reconcile your admitted homosexuality with your christian belief that homosexuality is a mortal sin? Shouldn't you stop sinning (being a homosexual) before demanding that others do? Why do you feel it is okay for you to be a practicing homosexual, but not others?

 

[cyborg]

Davidjayjordan, how do you reconcile your admitted homosexuality with your christian belief that homosexuality is a mortal sin? Shouldn't you stop sinning (being a homosexual) before demanding that others do? Why do you feel it is okay for you to be a practicing homosexual, but not others?

He has buttsex so we don't have to.

 

[Thomas1016]

A load of bollocks, with the exception of the bolded part, which I'll bet with you on, though I'm not 100% sure. Please see my link to the capture of Brits in 2004 in similar circumstances.[/URL]

The rest, I bet against, as it is cartoon geopolitical analysis, particularly the nuclear gambit.

DR

So you don't believe that Iran has any intentions of exerting influence over the middle east useing the means that I described before?

 

[strathmeyer]

This is not a specific prophecy, but a logical rational spiritual deductive one....as even non prophetic types should be able to see it coming.

How can we tell non prophetic types from prophetic types? Perhaps you shouldn't write sentences where you don't understand half the words.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Lets use true skepticism rather than just loyality and servitude to Western Masters and their figure head leaders.

Do little inflatables loaded with soldiers vary far from protective bigger military vessels when inspecting suspected terrorist ships..... Hmmm the answer NO.

Then why was the Iranian navy able to surround them so easily without resistance... Hmm because they were sent into Iranian waters to be sheep for the slaughter as the superiors knew the navy would react and protect their territorial waters.

Hmm so was this a possible set-up. Yes.... as inflatables aren't sent long distances from their back ups when boarding suspect ships. These British soldiers were expendables and sent as 'sheep to the slaughter' to escalate
the Iranian conflict.

And so you can bet the British were in Iranian waters...as Iran has pointed out.

Was their leader A... able to speak to the UN... Hmmm NO the US wouldn;t give visas for his palne's personnel. Were more sanctions passed against Iran... YES, how convenient, the excalation continues.

But do these details matter once the war gets underway, NO everyone will forget whos to blame as the war for oil rages, and all parties have to stick to party lines, and almost WW3 erupts, but the Peace Covenant by the Prince of the Covenant saves the Day, and then 10 countries sign its military, political religious agreements.

But do realise both sides are controlled, both sides are run by the same folks, the Masters that are to rule the earth, as their time of control is COMING. (2012)

When the Iranian War happens, sooner rather than later, but it will culminate in the long awaited Covenant of Daniel.

(There;s lots of current event hyperlinks on this, so just do the research)

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I didn't make a prophesy, you did. I didn't deny that a war with Iran is coming. It is possible, but no one knows for certain about that not even you. When you put words in my mouth, you end up arguing with yourself. For example:

Davidjayjordan, how do you reconcile your admitted homosexuality with your christian belief that homosexuality is a mortal sin? Shouldn't you stop sinning (being a homosexual) before demanding that others do? Why do you feel it is okay for you to be a practicing homosexual, but not others?

Biker, try the thread 'Jesus created Sex' concerning your sexual issues..... but better yet start a new thread...as that one concerns the Creator of Sex.

Got to get you going down the right road of discovery

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Hey, are we making a prediction here?

Bear in mind, the Iranians detained 8 British crewmen for 3 days in June 2004 before releasing them. You are just so, so anxious to be correct for a change.

It is a satisfying feeling, one that has eluded you for your entire existence.

Even if the USA does have a shooting match with Iran, it does not mean that 10 nations will sign a peace treaty, that the temple will suddenly be rebuilt, flying saucers will suddenly invade, or that men will shoot fire out of their mouths.
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Bjorn, at least you show comprehension and you do have a memory, which is more than I can say for most... as you do understand the sequence of events rather well. I must have taught you well.

So now when a Covenant is signed, you think a little about the Lord's Prophecy. But when it is signed by exactly ten countries, you get centered on the absolute fantastic odds that this could have been FOREtold. And then when the Jewish temple is built within a 220-260 day span so that they have sacrificing before the Temple, then you absolutely KNOW by the mathematical odds that the Lord's Prophecy is true. And hence, your search starts in earnest, if it isn;t too late, and your heart and mind aren;t tooo far gone.

Hope you make it Bjorn ...