Iran releases presidential debate timetable

[Oliver]

Woohoo! I hope the debates will be translated so I can watch them as eagerly as I watched the American presidential debates. It's one of the rare chances to get some deeper insight about what the current domestic Issues are in Iran. And I already suspect that Israel is one of the least debated Issues despite the probable conversation about a highly probable Israeli attack, of course.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8062170.stm

So consider this as the Iranian election thread.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Woohoo! I hope the debates will be translated so I can watch them as eagerly as I watched the American presidential debates. It's one of the rare chances to get some deeper insight about what the current domestic Issues are in Iran. And I already suspect that Israel is one of the least debated Issues despite the probable conversation about a highly probable Israeli attack, of course.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8062170.stm

So consider this as the Iranian election thread.

Let's hope they're not translated by the bogus Zionist Translation Services who lied by putting Ahmedinejad down as saying Israel should be "wiped off the map"

 

[BPSCG]

Let's hope they're not translated by the bogus Zionist Translation Services who lied by putting Ahmedinejad down as saying Israel should be "wiped off the map"

Well, they can avoid that problem by providing their own unbiased English translation, just as they do with their own official Islamic Republic News Wire. If you want the unvarnished truth direct from Iran's news agency, that's where you'll get it. Just click on the link that says, "English."

 

[Oliver]

Let's hope they're not translated by the bogus Zionist Translation Services who lied by putting Ahmedinejad down as saying Israel should be "wiped off the map"

As far I remember, it was an Iranian Translator who "effed up" the translation...

ETA:

"WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century by Arash Norouzi

*snip* THE ORIGIN:
One may wonder: where did this false interpretation originate? Who is responsible for the translation that has sparked such worldwide controversy? The answer is surprising.
The inflammatory "wiped off the map" quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. *snip*

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

As far I remember, it was an Iranian Translator who "effed up" the translation...

"Effed up"? You mean he accidentally sent the right translation to the wrong people?

 

[Oliver]

"Effed up"? You mean he accidentally sent the right translation to the wrong people?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Kilstryke/20080310IranIsraelWiped01.jpg

Nope, someone in the Ministry send a wrong translation:

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/

"WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century by Arash Norouzi

*snip*THE PROOF:

The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).*snip*

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I'll believe that when Iran stops funding Hamas and Hezbollah.

 

[Oliver]

I'll believe that when Iran stops funding Hamas and Hezbollah.

In other words: I'm a Skeptic and biased. "If I have to choose, I go with my bias rather than my spectical side".

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

In other words: I'm a Skeptic and biased. "If I have to choose, I go with my bias rather than my spectical side".

No, I mean Iran is funding the murder of Israeli citizens and this makes it difficult to take them seriously when they claim innocence over something psychotic thier dipstick in chief may or may not have said.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[Oliver]

No, I mean Iran is funding the murder of Israeli citizens and this makes it difficult to take them seriously when they claim innocence over something psychotic thier dipstick in chief may or may not have said.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Given the fact that the US messed up in their domestic interests and tried to change the regime and threaten it by supporting terrorists themselves, I really don't see why your argumentation should be more "understandable" than their POV. There simply isn't any difference.

Anyway: How does that relate to the elections that may result in a different President than Ahmadinejad?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Anyway: How does that relate to the elections that may result in a different President than Ahmadinejad?

They won't.

Smackdude Ineedadayjob isn't the disease. He's just a symptom. The Mullahs selected him, and they'll choose his replacement. The Mullahs need to die for Iran to see real change.

But until then, more Israelis will die... until Israel gets sick of it and lays the smack down on the Mullahs.

 

[Oliver]

They won't.

Smackdude Ineedadayjob isn't the disease. He's just a symptom. The Mullahs selected him, and they'll choose his replacement. The Mullahs need to die for Iran to see real change.

But until then, more Israelis will die... until Israel gets sick of it and lays the smack down on the Mullahs.

Well, Israel and the West could have made peace a long time ago by accepting that they are no Israelis/Westerners. Since they try to enforce their Israeli/Western values upon them, I'm not surprised that they don't like it - just like you wouldn't like to be forced by Iran to be a muslim and hold muslim values. Of course my reply doesn't seem to make sense to you, does it?

However, I actually have a female Iranian friend who lives in Germany and isn't all exited about their religious way, so I am happy to see someone else than Ahmadinejad being elected and to learn about the topics of the presidential debates.

 

[Marc39]

Well, Israel and the West could have made peace a long time ago by accepting that they are no Israelis/Westerners. Since they try to enforce their Israeli/Western values upon them, I'm not surprised that they don't like it - just like you wouldn't like to be forced by Iran to be a muslim and hold muslim values. Of course my reply doesn't seem to make sense to you, does it?

Western values? You mean, like, basic freedoms, human rights and civil liberties? Terrible how Israel flaunts its civilized society.

 

[Oliver]

Western values? You mean, like, basic freedoms, human rights and civil liberties? Terrible how Israel flaunts its civilized society.

Well, what are western freedoms and what are non-western freedoms?
Anyway: Just because you define something as uncivilized or non-western doesn't mean that you are right - or right to attack their values.

For example: Showing your bare sole to a Thai is highly offensive - while the same thing in western culture is no matter at all. So who is right? Well, the Iranians and the Israelis - as long they tolerate each other. And I should add that Iran doesn't have an as aggresive foreign policy as Israel had in the last 60 years.

However, I initially intended to make this thread about the elections since we have a lot of threads discussing all the other aspects of Iran and their relation to Israel already.

 

[Marc39]

Well, what are western freedoms

Freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of movement.

and what are non-western freedoms?

In the Arab and Muslim worlds, the absence of those freedoms listed above.

Anyway: Just because you define something as uncivilized or non-western doesn't mean that you are right - or right to attack their values.

Easy for you to say. Try living under dictatorial rule.

For example: Showing your bare sole to a Thai is highly offensive - while the same thing in western culture is no matter at all. So who is right?

You pick quite the benign contrast. How about women losing custody of their children after they reach the age of 12? How about being allowed to murder your wife under the guise of "honor killings? How about public beheadings?

Well, the Iranians and the Israelis - as long they tolerate each other. And I should add that Iran doesn't have an as aggresive foreign policy as Israel had in the last 60 years.

The Israelis tolerate the Iranians. The Iranians, not so much.

 

[Skeptic]

The "they don't really mean it" or "it was mistranslated" excuse begins to sound a bit fishy after the 376th time in a row it is used.

Isn't it curious, by the way, that the folks who just KNOW MEMRI (or the BBC, or the NY Post, or whomever) "mistranslated" Ahmadenijad's latest holocaust-denying, genocide-promoting rant cannot actually speak a word of Farsi or Arabic?

Anyway, the death-to-the-Jews angle aside, considering the fact that all candidates have to be approved by the supreme religious council, the elections are about as "free" as those in the USSR used to be. Pointless.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Anyway, the death-to-the-Jews angle aside, considering the fact that all candidates have to be approved by the supreme religious council, the elections are about as "free" as those in the USSR used to be. Pointless.

Or like the old Iraqi elections where the choices were "Saddam" and "Not Saddam" and Republican Guardsmen and Saddam Fedayeen were assigned to the polling stations to help voters locate the "Saddam" box if they couldn't find it on the first try.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Well, Israel and the West could have made peace a long time ago by accepting that they are no Israelis/Westerners. Since they try to enforce their Israeli/Western values upon them, I'm not surprised that they don't like it - just like you wouldn't like to be forced by Iran to be a muslim and hold muslim values. Of course my reply doesn't seem to make sense to you, does it?

However, I actually have a female Iranian friend who lives in Germany and isn't all exited about their religious way, so I am happy to see someone else than Ahmadinejad being elected and to learn about the topics of the presidential debates.

I agree with you and 'Sword Of' on this.

The selection of Iranian presidential candidates is heavily vetted by higher powers. Pretty much the same as in the US.

But of course the Iranians don't like 'Western' values forced upon them. that's why they got rid of the CIA/MI6 backed Shah.

And now the Zionist Movement is trying to go after them because Iran's a big country and a threat to Israel's long term plans of expansion and hegemony.

Israel is a far worse country than Iran in terms of violent foreign policy.

 

[Marc39]

And now the Zionist Movement is trying to go after them because Iran's a big country and a threat to Israel's long term plans of expansion and hegemony.

What a complete joke. Israel and Iran were allies while Iran was "a big country", up until the Iranian Revoluiton in 1979. You're turning history on its head, as, Iran has been threatening Israel's existence, and, everyone knows it, so, such naive statements to the contrary just show no insight whatsoever.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

The "they don't really mean it" or "it was mistranslated" excuse begins to sound a bit fishy after the 376th time in a row it is used.

Isn't it curious, by the way, that the folks who just KNOW MEMRI (or the BBC, or the NY Post, or whomever) "mistranslated" Ahmadenijad's latest holocaust-denying, genocide-promoting rant cannot actually speak a word of Farsi or Arabic?

Anyway, the death-to-the-Jews angle aside, considering the fact that all candidates have to be approved by the supreme religious council, the elections are about as "free" as those in the USSR used to be. Pointless.

What about the US presidential candidates? They have to be approved by AIPAC and the Christian god.