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Infinite Energy! All Our Energy Problems Over?

Gord_in_Toronto

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Rocks with infinite energy inside them in the United States: the science-fiction, but real, discovery

The United States has just discovered what the whole planet was looking for and had been theorizing for decades. The truth is that we are not talking about an invention, but about something that existed and we had always ignored. It is as impressive as rocks with infinite, clean and renewable energy to supply humanity for millennia. Doesn’t it sound like science fiction? Well, it’s reality.
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Having trouble believing? What MIT has to say:
Extracting hydrogen from rocks

Geochemist Viacheslav Zgonnik, one of the foremost experts in the natural hydrogen field, agrees that the list of unknowns is long, as is the road to the first commercial projects. But he says efforts to stimulate hydrogen production — to harness the natural reaction between water and rock — present “tremendous potential.”
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Just a question of engineering? :duck:
 
Ecoticias.com looks like a clickbait farm to me. Some legitimate reporting sprinkled with a pile of crap. They recently had a report that some company has a small fusion reactor that can be put into an electric vehicle to boost performance. No, I can be bothered to find the link. :rolleyes:

This site gives it a score of 50.5/100, ranking it as "questionable."
 
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There is no such thing as infinite energy, as humans will always find ways to use up all the energy available - even if have to invent LLMs to do so.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
There is no such thing as infinite energy, as humans will always find ways to use up all the energy available - even if have to invent LLMs to do so.
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If you plug something in to an infinite power supply you'll either flip the circuit breaker or destroy the Universe. :eek:
 
Read the article and found something very questionable
The process of producing hydrogen fuel from iron-rich rocks involves a chemical reaction called hydrolysis. This reaction uses water to split the iron oxide (rust) in the rocks into iron, oxygen, and hydrogen. The rocks are first crushed into a fine powder to increase their surface area.

They are then mixed with water and heated to a high temperature, usually around 700-800°C. The heat energy causes the water molecules to split apart into hydrogen and oxygen. The oxygen then reacts with the iron oxide powder to form pure iron metal and steam. The hydrogen is released as a gas and can be collected.

This process does not require an external energy source once the initial heat is applied, as the reaction itself provides enough energy to be self-sustaining. The hydrogen produced is very pure and requires minimal additional processing before it can be used as a zero-emission fuel.
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Mixing Iron oxide with water will not release energy as there is none to give off. Changing iron oxide to iron + oxygen will absorb energy. So will splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen.

Even if, due to some magic, it worked then we would not drown as water is consumed in the process.
 
arthwollipot said:
Yeah, shame on the source for adding the word "infinite" to the article.
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That was bugging me, too. But then I realized what they were actually proposing:

  1. Use hydrolysis to de-oxidize the iron.
  2. Use the hydrogen by-product of hydrolysis as fuel.
  3. Let the de-oxidized iron re-oxidize.
  4. GOTO 1.
In theory, it's an infinite loop.
 
theprestige said:
That was bugging me, too. But then I realized what they were actually proposing:

  1. Use hydrolysis to de-oxidize the iron.
  2. Use the hydrogen by-product of hydrolysis as fuel.
  3. Let the de-oxidized iron re-oxidize.
  4. GOTO 1.
In theory, it's an infinite loop.
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In theory, yeah, but that's still not the same thing as "infinite energy". Using that phrase in the article was irresponsible, in my opinion. It makes it sound like the process defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which it absolutely doesn't.
 
arthwollipot said:
In theory, yeah, but that's still not the same thing as "infinite energy". Using that phrase in the article was irresponsible, in my opinion. It makes it sound like the process defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which it absolutely doesn't.
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This is one of those rare cases where I think the term is actually kind of justified. On a long enough timeline, all our solar powered energy sources are finite. But on human timescales? Assuming the energy budget pencils out, infinite is a pretty good word for this.
 
theprestige said:
This is one of those rare cases where I think the term is actually kind of justified. On a long enough timeline, all our solar powered energy sources are finite. But on human timescales? Assuming the energy budget pencils out, infinite is a pretty good word for this.
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I'd agree with this except for the perpetual-motion implication.
 
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