In Bed with TBN By Jackie Alnor

Really billiefan2000, why the hell do you think anyone cares about this crap? I really would like to know why you bother posting it.
 
I have to agree with Tyler, Billie. What is the point of the thread? Are we to discuss how religious broadcasting stations make poor decisions? Or how one group of zealots disagrees with another group of zealots? Why have you brought this to our attention?
 
Looks like the Hutus and the Tutsis are at it again.
 
Diogenes I do have a opinion...

They make a good point,and I think there has become a over Tolerance of what is said on TBN by the Christian Community and I think the Christian Community and the General Population should be criticizing these Hypocrites and frauds.

UpChurch,I brought it up,cause it makes a good point about how Christians (many Christians) would rather believe in some New-Age crap like the Prosperity Message,but yet have the nerve to call themselves Christians.
 
billie, did you happen to notice that Hal Lindsay has a program on TBN? Do you have a problem with right-thinking preachers such as he sharing the air with apostate sinners (and bad comb-overs) like Hinn?
 
Billie: Power of the marketplace man, if you don't like the views then write the sponsors.

Seems to be the pot calling the kettle pink.

Peace
 
Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

billiefan2000 said:
Upchurch,I brought it up,cause it makes a good point about how Christians (many Christians) would rather believe in some New-Age crap like the Prosperity Message,but yet have the nerve to call themselves Christians.
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Hm. Interesting. From one who sees most of it as carp, how does one distinguish Christians from these new-age Christians?
 
Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

billiefan2000 said:
They make a good point,and I think there has become a over Tolerance of what is said on TBN by the Christian Community and I think the Christian Community and the General Population should be criticizing these Hypocrites and frauds.

UpChurch,I brought it up,cause it makes a good point about how Christians (many Christians) would rather believe in some New-Age crap like the Prosperity Message,but yet have the nerve to call themselves Christians.
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I enjoyed reading the article. Thanks for posting it. I am so fed up with the "Prosperity" message and the "Word of Faith" movement. It has infected Christianity like a plague.

I won't even watch TBN. It just makes me sick what Benny Hinn does to get money. I wish Amazing Randi could expose him somehow like he did Peter Poppoff. What scares me is the strong possibility that Hinn really thinks he's some great healing prophet of God...... as opposed to him purposely being fake.

Christians are quick to attack New age practices, but so many are caught up in the same hocus pocus. After all, Word of Faith movement was stolen out of shamanism. :mad: :rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

Ruby said:

Christians are quick to attack New age practices, but so many are caught up in the same hocus pocus. After all, Word of Faith movement was stolen out of shamanism. :mad: :rolleyes:
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I'm convinced that MOST preachers actually know they are peddling manure. (But I'm sure they see it as a worthwhile and goodly effort) They *HAVE* to read the bible to pick and chose the verses they present to the congregation. (Since most christians don't read the bible). Surely after reading the bible most of them see through it. A few brave ones like Dan Barker, come out and expose the lie.
 
Re: Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

Ruby said:


I enjoyed reading the article. Thanks for posting it. I am so fed up with the "Prosperity" message and the "Word of Faith" movement. It has infected Christianity like a plague.

I won't even watch TBN. It just makes me sick what Benny Hinn does to get money. I wish Amazing Randi could expose him somehow like he did Peter Poppoff. What scares me is the strong possibility that Hinn really thinks he's some great healing prophet of God...... as opposed to him purposely being fake.

Christians are quick to attack New age practices, but so many are caught up in the same hocus pocus. After all, Word of Faith movement was stolen out of shamanism. :mad: :rolleyes:
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I wish Randi and other Skeptics Groups would take on guys like Joel Osteen and Rod Parsley and Benny Hinn which is what makes mad at some Fellow Christians:

These 3 and others are allowed to get away with their greed and false teachings,but:

If Franklin Graham calls ISLAM a Evil Religion,the Benny Hinn's in the Christian Community will condemn him for saying that.
 
Re: Re: Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

billiefan2000 said:


I wish Randi and other Skeptics Groups would take on guys like Joel Osteen and Rod Parsley and Benny Hinn which is what makes mad at some Fellow Christians:
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If Randi, et al, were to take on one set of religious dogma, they would have to take on all religious dogma. I suspect that you would be less enthusiastic about that.
 
Re: Re: Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

triadboy said:


I'm convinced that MOST preachers actually know they are peddling manure. (But I'm sure they see it as a worthwhile and goodly effort) They *HAVE* to read the bible to pick and chose the verses they present to the congregation. (Since most christians don't read the bible). Surely after reading the bible most of them see through it. A few brave ones like Dan Barker, come out and expose the lie.
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Nope, only a few...small few...see through it. My Pastor talked to our church about manipulation tactics that many preachers use. My Pastor NEVER asks us for money. He's one in a million!

Anyhow, he talked about all the ways preachers will try to get money out of their congregations, and then, in the middle of speaking on it, he said (paraphrasing)"You know, I must admit to you, we are in dire need of $5000 right now..in this church.....I believe that God is asking for one of you to write a check for that amount right this minute.........whoever it is, will you stand up?" During this speech, some of our congregants were going "oh yes Lord"....Then, one of our co-pastors stood up ready to write a check and some of the congregation where saying out loud "praise God".

At that moment, my Pastor threw his pen in the air and said to all of us "You've just been had!!!". He said that the only way to get it through to us how easily Christians are manipulated to give money, was to show us. He had set the whole thing up beforehand with his co-Pastor.

I was one of the few who knew he was pulling one over on everyone. My hubby knew too, but was impressed by how my Pastor made it seem very believable.

What killed me was that he pulled this little show right in the middle of telling his congregation how preachers do certain types of manipulations to get money. So, even while being told and warned about it, people can still be duped.

My hubby produces our church services for the local TV station here, and he made sure that service got on TV. I just know it shook up a lot of local Pastors...but my Pastor always does that. He is a unique man and not afraid to speak out about a lot of religious nonsense. He gets lots of nasty mail..unfortunately. It does not bother him. He is the warmest, kindest most accepting man I know...and that's saying a lot for a Pastor.
 
Re: Re: Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

billiefan2000 said:


I wish Randi and other Skeptics Groups would take on guys like Joel Osteen and Rod Parsley and Benny Hinn which is what makes mad at some Fellow Christians:

These 3 and others are allowed to get away with their greed and false teachings,but:

If Franklin Graham calls ISLAM a Evil Religion,the Benny Hinn's in the Christian Community will condemn him for saying that.
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I have made many a Christian mad (on message boards and forums) by stating that Benny Hinn is a false Prophet. I've even been warned...like God will strike me for speaking out against Benny Hinn!!:rolleyes: :mad:
 
Re: Re: Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

billiefan2000 said:


I wish Randi and other Skeptics Groups would take on guys like Joel Osteen and Rod Parsley and Benny Hinn which is what makes mad at some Fellow Christians:

These 3 and others are allowed to get away with their greed and false teachings,but:

If Franklin Graham calls ISLAM a Evil Religion,the Benny Hinn's in the Christian Community will condemn him for saying that.
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billie, God has blessed you with the gift of non-sequitur.

But please explain, what has Franklin Graham's religious hatred got to do with Benny Hinn's false prophecy?
 
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Ruby said:


Nope, only a few...small few...see through it. My Pastor talked to our church about manipulation tactics that many preachers use. My Pastor NEVER asks us for money. He's one in a million!

Anyhow, he talked about all the ways preachers will try to get money out of their congregations, and then, in the middle of speaking on it, he said (paraphrasing)"You know, I must admit to you, we are in dire need of $5000 right now..in this church.....I believe that God is asking for one of you to write a check for that amount right this minute.........whoever it is, will you stand up?" During this speech, some of our congregants were going "oh yes Lord"....Then, one of our co-pastors stood up ready to write a check and some of the congregation where saying out loud "praise God".

At that moment, my Pastor threw his pen in the air and said to all of us "You've just been had!!!". He said that the only way to get it through to us how easily Christians are manipulated to give money, was to show us. He had set the whole thing up beforehand with his co-Pastor.

I was one of the few who knew he was pulling one over on everyone. My hubby knew too, but was impressed by how my Pastor made it seem very believable.

What killed me was that he pulled this little show right in the middle of telling his congregation how preachers do certain types of manipulations to get money. So, even while being told and warned about it, people can still be duped.

My hubby produces our church services for the local TV station here, and he made sure that service got on TV. I just know it shook up a lot of local Pastors...but my Pastor always does that. He is a unique man and not afraid to speak out about a lot of religious nonsense. He gets lots of nasty mail..unfortunately. It does not bother him. He is the warmest, kindest most accepting man I know...and that's saying a lot for a Pastor.
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He DOES sound different
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Diogenes I do have a opinion...

Ruby said:


I have made many a Christian mad (on message boards and forums) by stating that Benny Hinn is a false Prophet. I've even been warned...like God will strike me for speaking out against Benny Hinn!!:rolleyes: :mad:
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Ruby. Do they threaten you friends and family's lives as well,cause I have heard from Christians and Non-Christians who have said that Hinn and some of his useful idiots (or thugs) have threatened to kill people's friends and family and neighbors just for questioning Hinn and his tactics and I think you and me and all of us who know guys like Hinn need to stand up and expose guys like him for being the Modern Day Versions of Robert Tilton that we all know them to be.
 
one other thing I should mention RUBY...

I love how Dateline a while back presented the facts of Benny Hinn and his healing and financial troubles.

I think what should be done is this:

A protest against Hinn and others like him in front of their houses, or the stadium of the his crusade in your area, would do good!


As Edmund Burke, the 18th century Scottish philosopher said, "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."

Taken a bit further, how "good" can a people be if in the face of evil they do nothing?
 
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