If I wasn't sure about Jehovah's existence, I am now.

[Beleth]

The God described in the New Testament cannot possibly exist.

More children - children - were killed in that earthquake and tsunami than the entire population of the town I grew up in.

What kind of higher power lets that happen?

What kind of higher benevolent power lets water tear three-year-olds from their father's arms and drowns them?

Only one kind.
The kind that doesn't exist.

I don't see how anyone with either a heart or a brain can reconcile what happened over the last few days, and what is about to happen with the diseases that are going to ravage the area just as badly as the water did, with the concept of a powerful and loving God.

No. There is only one source of benevolence in the known universe and that is ourselves. Humanity. Only humanity and the civilization that happens when we work together can do anything to prevent the rest of the universe, including our own planet, from destroying all that is good.

We can destroy ourselves too, of course, but if there is any hope of us not being destroyed, it is entirely up to us to make it not happen. Not Jehovah. Not Allah. Not Krishna. Us. Falling to our knees and pleading for help from something that isn't there is worse than useless.

We are alone in this toxic gemstone of a universe and we better wake up to that fact right quick.

 

[Anathema]

I don't see how anyone with either a heart or a brain can reconcile what happened over the last few days, and what is about to happen with the diseases that are going to ravage the area just as badly as the water did, with the concept of a powerful and loving God.

Several Indian mystics are attributing the mess to God's "grief" over the state of human morality (particularly the rise of secularism in India). Supposedly, when God views humans acting so unrighteously, He "sighs", and His sighs are so powerful they cause massive destruction. See, He doesn't really mean to hurt anyone, He's just "upset".....poor omnipotent being. The message is clear: don't upset God, because his sighs make tsunamis. It's all so clear now...

 

[alfaniner]

Re: Re: If I wasn't sure about Jehovah's existence, I am now.

... The message is clear: don't upset God, because his sighs make tsunamis. It's all so clear now...

Better not let him eat any bean dip, then.

 

[lifegazer]

No. There is only one source of benevolence in the known universe and that is ourselves. Humanity.

Humanity - and the attributes one recognises amongst it - is a product or effect of existence... and cannot be defined as "the source" of whatever attributes one associates with that humanity.
If there's such a thing as benevolence, humanity is not the source of it, but rather the vessel into which that benevolence has been poured, so to speak.
Humanity is not it's own creator.

 

[Calee]

Re: Re: If I wasn't sure about Jehovah's existence, I am now.

Humanity - and the attributes one recognises amongst it - is a product or effect of existence... and cannot be defined as "the source" of whatever attributes one associates with that humanity.
If there's such a thing as benevolence, humanity is not the source of it, but rather the vessel into which that benevolence has been poured, so to speak.
Humanity is not it's own creator.

According to Rapture Ready, God did this to keep the children from becoming Muslims.

"maybe God has taken them before they were taught and influenced to serve/worship other gods/idols."

"I reconcile the death of the children as they are now with him, they won't be led to a false religion with false gods."


http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=180858

 

[Beleth]

Re: Re: Re: If I wasn't sure about Jehovah's existence, I am now.

According to Rapture Ready, God did this to keep the children from becoming Muslims.

"maybe God has taken them before they were taught and influenced to serve/worship other gods/idols."

"I reconcile the death of the children as they are now with him, they won't be led to a false religion with false gods."


http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=180858

Flippant, inconsistent rubbish. Not you, Calee; the RR morons.

Were the children baptised? If they weren't, they are in Hell just as surely as if they were raised Muslims. I do wish the RR cultists would become at least passingly familiar with the text they adhere to so strongly.

 

[Beleth]

Re: Re: If I wasn't sure about Jehovah's existence, I am now.

Humanity - and the attributes one recognises amongst it - is a product or effect of existence...

Go spew your crap in your own threads, lifegazer; I have no patience for you today.

 

[Anathema]

Re: Re: If I wasn't sure about Jehovah's existence, I am now.

Humanity - and the attributes one recognises amongst it - is a product or effect of existence... and cannot be defined as "the source" of whatever attributes one associates with that humanity.
If there's such a thing as benevolence, humanity is not the source of it, but rather the vessel into which that benevolence has been poured, so to speak.
Humanity is not it's own creator.

Translation:
"Please someone, challenge me on all the questions I beg. I don't know what to make of my life if I'm not 600 posts deep in a handwaving, navel-gazing thread where I'm relentlessly "persecuted". I need the affirmation of your rejection. Please, someone, kick the ball back to me. Please?"

 

[lifegazer]

"Humanity - and the attributes one recognises amongst it - is a product or effect of existence..."

Go spew your crap in your own threads, lifegazer; I have no patience for you today.

Tough. If you talk a load of crap, expect to be put right.
"Humanity is the only source of benevolence" is absolute garbage... and anybody with half-an-ounce of rational intelligence will recognise that humanity is the source of absolutely nothing pal.

Grow up.

 

[lifegazer]

Translation:
"Please someone, challenge me on all the questions I beg. I don't know what to make of my life if I'm not 600 posts deep in a handwaving, navel-gazing thread where I'm relentlessly "persecuted". I need the affirmation of your rejection. Please, someone, kick the ball back to me. Please?"

I don't have to put up with low-life ranting nonsense about God and how humanity is the source of it's own attributes. If you actually have a mature response to my post, then make it. Otherwise, go and play with your X'mas toys.

 

[Anathema]

I don't have to put up with low-life ranting nonsense about God and how humanity is the source of it's own attributes. If you actually have a mature response to my post, then make it. Otherwise, go and play with your X'mas toys.

*see previous translation...

 

[lifegazer]

*see previous translation...

You don't give a rat's about sincere rational discussion, but don't presume to talk for everyone on this board. If you don't have anything to say regarding the issue of this thread, you have no need to be posting here.

 

[KelvinG]

According to the bible. God has a rich history of killing innocents.
So, this latest disaster might actually affirm God's existence.
Isn't this kind of stuff par for the course for him.

 

[Beleth]

According to the bible. God has a rich history of killing innocents.
So, this latest disaster might actually affirm God's existence.
Isn't this kind of stuff par for the course for him.

Usually when I write I use the word "Yahweh" to refer to the God of the Old Testament and "Jehovah" to refer to the God of the New Testament.

Yahweh has a history of killing innocents, but He's usually not described as being benevolent. Well, maybe to the Jews. Jehovah is described as being benevolent, but He doesn't kill nearly as many innocents as Yahweh does.

The only entity that cares about what happens to humans is humanity itself.

 

[Beleth]

Tough. If you talk a load of crap, expect to be put right.
"Humanity is the only source of benevolence" is absolute garbage... and anybody with half-an-ounce of rational intelligence will recognise that humanity is the source of absolutely nothing pal.

Grow up.

Welcome to slot #2 on my ignore list, lifegazer. Right after latinijral. Not even Carlos made that list.

Brainless, heartless, gutless drama queen....

 

[VicDaring]

Tough. If you talk a load of crap, expect to be put right.
"Humanity is the only source of benevolence" is absolute garbage... and anybody with half-an-ounce of rational intelligence will recognise that humanity is the source of absolutely nothing pal.

Grow up.

Humanity has, and can depend on, humanity. Nothing less and certainly nothing more.

Humanity has been bad to you maybe, if you're an insufferable a dork in real life as you are on the Internet, so no doubt you look to fairy tales for guidance and hope.



Sorry to derail your thread Beleth.

 

[lifegazer]

Welcome to slot #2 on my ignore list, lifegazer. Right after latinijral. Not even Carlos made that list.

Brainless, heartless, gutless drama queen....

There should be a clause in the rules for suspending somebody who presents a thread and then reacts like a baby when somebody destroys the rational credibility of that thread.

Brainless?!
You haven't got the brains to realise that 'humanity' is an effect - a culmination of his attributes - not the source of them.

Heartless?!
I care more than you think pal. I'm on the breadline and have donated money that I cannot afford to give away. Have you?

Gutless?!
I endure hostility every time I make a post. I try, despite all the ill-effects upon my personal life, to make a difference. So don't accuse me of being gutless.
Being gutless, however, could be applied to a toe-rag such as yourself who - despite obviously being wrong in regards the statement I commented upon - just runs away whilst hurling abuse at his courteous responder.
You're a ******g disgrace to the integrity of this forum and to sincere skeptics everywhere. I don't give a rat's whether you can see this or not, since my aim is to educate those that can: not only in rational thought - but in courteous discussion.

Drama queen?
These are serious issues you are supposed to be discussing. If there's any drame here, the evidence - for all to see - is that you instigated it.

 

[Z]

No no no no no...

lifegazer, a jester is supposed to be funny, not offensive and childish! C'mon, go back to posting the funny stuff about infinite distances and quantum nonlocality!



And to defend lifegazer (Oh my God, what am I doing?) humanity is the product of the attributes of humankind. Benevolence can likewise be observed in lower animals, albeit rarely and usually not without alterior motives.

As applied to humanity, however, Man is his own God. Only man can make man's life better or worse. Even you, jester, in your 'dream of reality', can't argue against that. God, when he dreams of being Man, can only affect Man through Man; as such, only Man can bestow benevolence upon Man. On the other hand, if God awakens and takes his own attributes unto himself, then Man ceases to exist, and all becomes irrelevant.

Happy holidays, LG!

 

[lifegazer]

""Humanity is the only source of benevolence" is absolute garbage..."

Humanity has, and can depend on, humanity. Nothing less and certainly nothing more.

Another one lacking the brains to realise that 'humanity' is NOT the source of whatever attributes are his make-up. Humanity is NOT the source of whatever benevolence may reside within him. To argue otherwise is either grosse stupidity or a lie.

Humanity has been bad to you maybe,

I've had bad experiences, yes. But humanity is not the actual source of 'badness' either. Changing the subject doesn't change the response.

if you're an insufferable a dork in real life as you are on the Internet,

Whatever. You'll have to try harder if you want to offend me though.

so no doubt you look to fairy tales for guidance and hope.

Name something that is real, other than God, and I will leave these forums. However - one slight catch - explain to these forums how you know that this 'thing' is real.
Everything is a fairy-tale.

Sorry to derail your thread Beleth.

He kinda derailed it himself, when he acted like a 6 year-old when somebody destroyed his chain of reasoning.

 

[Z]

Prove that God is real before you expect anyone to take that challenge.

Then disprove that anything else is real.

I suspect you'll have an awfully hard time doing so, lg. You've failed so far - can't imagine you doing any better now.