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I just don't get Republicans...

shanek

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...I don't, I don't, I don't.

In my home county, any candidate who wasn't a Republican got absolutely steamrollered. This is because of phenomenal voter turnout, near-universal in some precincts. Tons of Republicans showed up to defeat Democrats and Libertarians 60-70%.

This is what confuses me:

At the local (Lincoln County), state (NC), and Federal level, Republican politicians have violated every principle their party stands for. They have raised taxes while pretending they haven't, they have increased debt, they have increased budgets, granted entitlement after entitlement, etc.

And what happens? MORE Republicans vote for them!

I don't get it. I just don't.
 
It is because Nader is right.

Both Republicans AND Democrats have sold out to the corporate dollar. They only remain different on a select few social issues anymore...
 
Because people are too lazy and/or stupid to fully research the position of the party they support (possibly because there isn't a fag paper between the majot parties on many things) and instead they just support a party the same way they'd support a football team.

Alternatively they'll just swallow the propoganda on a couple of key points (gay marriage, terrorism.......whatever) and make a decision based on these hot issues rather than considering things in the round.

Note that this is equally true of most people of whatever political persuasion.
 
shanek said:
...I don't, I don't, I don't.

In my home county, any candidate who wasn't a Republican got absolutely steamrollered. This is because of phenomenal voter turnout, near-universal in some precincts. Tons of Republicans showed up to defeat Democrats and Libertarians 60-70%.

This is what confuses me:

At the local (Lincoln County), state (NC), and Federal level, Republican politicians have violated every principle their party stands for. They have raised taxes while pretending they haven't, they have increased debt, they have increased budgets, granted entitlement after entitlement, etc.

And what happens? MORE Republicans vote for them!

I don't get it. I just don't.
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What you're confused about is your failure to realize that for all of the GOP's foibles, the Dems would have done the same and them some...

You have to choose:

Person A is going to poke you in the eye.

Person B is going to rip your eye out of its socket.

Who do you choose, again, if you had to?
 
The Don said:
Because people are too lazy and/or stupid to fully research the position of the party they support (possibly because there isn't a fag paper between the majot parties on many things) and instead they just support a party the same way they'd support a football team.

Alternatively they'll just swallow the propoganda on a couple of key points (gay marriage, terrorism.......whatever) and make a decision based on these hot issues rather than considering things in the round.

Note that this is equally true of most people of whatever political persuasion.
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What he said.
 
Kirk said:
It is because Nader is right.

Both Republicans AND Democrats have sold out to the corporate dollar. They only remain different on a select few social issues anymore...
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Thank you. May you always vote third party...
 
shanek said:

[I just don't get Republicans...]
...I don't, I don't, I don't.

In my home county, any candidate who wasn't a Republican got absolutely steamrollered. This is because of phenomenal voter turnout, near-universal in some precincts. Tons of Republicans showed up to defeat Democrats and Libertarians 60-70%.

This is what confuses me:

At the local (Lincoln County), state (NC), and Federal level, Republican politicians have violated every principle their party stands for. They have raised taxes while pretending they haven't, they have increased debt, they have increased budgets, granted entitlement after entitlement, etc.

And what happens? MORE Republicans vote for them!

I don't get it. I just don't.
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You don't get it because you refuse to look at it from their perspective. Actually I think you DO get it but simply refuse to admit it. I'll make an extreme case for you.

Republican: I will raise taxes but it will be done in such a manner as to be hidden from direct view. You'll hardly notice, I swear!

OtherParty: I will eliminate all taxes...period! And everyone will own their own nuclear weapon, to boot.


Need another? That was a drastic example but it goes to the core of the ThirdParty problem.
 
The Don said:
Because people are too lazy and/or stupid to fully research the position of the party they support (possibly because there isn't a fag paper between the majot parties on many things) and instead they just support a party the same way they'd support a football team.

Alternatively they'll just swallow the propoganda on a couple of key points (gay marriage, terrorism.......whatever) and make a decision based on these hot issues rather than considering things in the round.

Note that this is equally true of most people of whatever political persuasion.
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That seems contrary to evidence to me.

Registered part faithful are pretty much equal on the left and right (20-25% GOP - 20-25% Dem), correct? If true, that means that the vast voting block called the "undecided/independent" voter decide every election.

That the masses are incurably ignorant, though, I can have no doubt...
 
Kodiak said:
That seems contrary to evidence to me.

Registered part faithful are pretty much equal on the left and right (20-25% GOP - 20-25% Dem), correct? If true, that means that the vast voting block called the "undecided/independent" voter decide every election.

That the masses are incurably ignorant, though, I can have no doubt...
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IMO and backed with no evidence, I reckon that a lot of those who are not affiliated to a specific party still have an inbuilt allegance which will only be overturned in the event that the party contradicts one of their hot issues (as opposed to the die-hards who will vote for their party regardless).

I'm basing my judgement on the UK (so it's not necessarily a good match) where a vanishingly small proportion of people are members of a political party but where voting intentions are ingrained even in those who profess no specifc preference.

IMO, again unsupported in fact, there's only about 10% who are genuinely undecided.

W.r.t. the die-hards. Even if you take them through the manifesto point by point and they disagree with every one (and agree with a majority of the opposition's) they'll still support their party.
 
I used to lean Democrat when I was in college. Here are some misconceptions I had about Democrats, and what I learned when I started working:

I mainly voted Democrat because I was a (financially) poor student, couldn't afford insurance or good healthcare, and all I really knew (or thought I knew) about Republicans was that they tended to cut funding for schools, while at the same time berrating the sad state of the educational system, and also giving tax breaks to the rich. I assumed that the Democrats supported education, good healthcare, and giving tax breaks to the poor. Wrong!

Democrats don't give a crap about education. In fact, they want to keep kids dumb and misinformed so that they will vote for Democrats in the future. Democrats also want the government to pay for healthcare. I worked for the government for about 1 year and my wife worked for the government for 2 years. Trust me, you don't want the government to be responsible for your health!! Democrats will never ever give tax breaks to the poor. They only want to tax the rich more heavily until they are just as poor as everyone else, then piss away that money on beurocratic organizations that don't get anything done. It became clear that Democrats don't help the poor, they only burden the middle and upper class and exploit the poor for votes.

I used to think that Democrats cared about the environment. Wrong! I've seen how the EPA and other environmental watchdog groups work now. They're nothing but racketeering groups, setting up rules that are impossible to follow and accepting bribes from corporate excutives under the table to get around those rules, very much like Unions.

Do you think that John Kerry got to be a millionaire by selling organic baby food and anti-war bumper stickers? Hell no. He greased his way to the top just like every other modern millionaire.

What I don't "get" about most of you so-called "skeptics" on this forum is your willingness to accept all the Democratic rhetoric at face value and claim that all the Repulbican's rhetoric is all lies and deciet. All politicians are liars, fools!! Republicans are wolves and Democrats are wolves in sheep's clothing.

My reasons for voting for Bush are primarily superficial, mainly because I don't see a whole lot of difference between Bush and Kerry. They are both sleezy, lying politicians. And I'm skeptical about all politicians.
 
Wow. In the time I took to write that reply, everyone said the same thing I did. You guys are fast!
 
Re: Re: I just don't get Republicans...

Kodiak said:
What you're confused about is your failure to realize that for all of the GOP's foibles, the Dems would have done the same and them some...
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There are other alternatives.

You have to choose:
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No I don't. This is exactly the point. You can put a gun to my head and I still don't have to choose. The worst you can do is kill me, and you stil don't have my "choice," only my dead body which you now have to deal with.
 
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shanek said:

No I don't. This is exactly the point. You can put a gun to my head and I still don't have to choose. The worst you can do is kill me, and you stil don't have my "choice," only my dead body which you now have to deal with.
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To quote Rush:

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!"
 
Re: Re: I just don't get Republicans...

Kodiak said:
What you're confused about is your failure to realize that for all of the GOP's foibles, the Dems would have done the same and them some...
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Yeah. Whereas both parties just spend, spend, spend, the democrats have the cajones to try to pay for it. Idiots. Just borrow the money.

It all comes down to one thing: tax cuts. No one cares that republicans spend money faster than they can make it. All they care is that republicans give tax cuts. All the other bull(censored) is pflummery.
 
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DaveW said:
To quote Rush:

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!"
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He was hopped up on oxycotin.
 
shanek said:
...I don't, I don't, I don't.

In my home county, any candidate who wasn't a Republican got absolutely steamrollered. This is because of phenomenal voter turnout, near-universal in some precincts. Tons of Republicans showed up to defeat Democrats and Libertarians 60-70%.

This is what confuses me:

At the local (Lincoln County), state (NC), and Federal level, Republican politicians have violated every principle their party stands for. They have raised taxes while pretending they haven't, they have increased debt, they have increased budgets, granted entitlement after entitlement, etc.

And what happens? MORE Republicans vote for them!

I don't get it. I just don't.
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You live in what amounts to a one party area. Everyone not a Republican there is a third party, so even people who do not follow the party line are going to gravitate to the GOP so they have a better chance in local races.

W.Va. has a lot of one party counties, usually Democratic. If you want in politics there, you are a Democrat or you are a loser. Add in a closed primary (only registered party members can vote in the primary) and it gets worse. The end result is even the serious conservatives wind up in the Democratic party.

It is just a local machine, has nothing to do with the name of the party. If the LP started pulling 75% or so in local elections, there would be quasi-socialists and so forth registering as Libertarian.
 
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shanek said:
No I don't. This is exactly the point. You can put a gun to my head and I still don't have to choose.
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Perhaps. But if you choose to not participate politically, then how can you complain about what goes on?

Being a citizen with the right to vote bears responsibilities. If you don't want to vote, because you see no purpose in voting, go live where they don't have elections at all.

shanek said:
The worst you can do is kill me, and you stil don't have my "choice," only my dead body which you now have to deal with.
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New Jersey swamps.
 
Re: Re: Re: I just don't get Republicans...

shanek said:
No I don't. This is exactly the point. You can put a gun to my head and I still don't have to choose. The worst you can do is kill me, and you stil don't have my "choice," only my dead body which you now have to deal with.
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If you don't choose, someone else will choose for you...
 
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Tony said:
He was hopped up on oxycotin.
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No, no, no, Rush the band, not Rush Limbaugh.
 
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