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c0rbin said:Go on a tour of your local newsroom.
These freaks edit/produce on the fly. Very fast.
Give me an estimate, please.
-INRM
INRM said:
Give me an estimate, please.
-INRM
You would have to be more specific INRM, I work in TV and (some) Film production, and just estimating time is an entire industry in itself. When a script comes into a studio it MUST be in a certain format to even be read by a studio aid. This format usually equates to one minute per page. If it's not in that format it will immediately be thrown away.
Then studios count the number of each kind of shot, interior, exterior, effects, etc etc. This is how they determine time and budget.
Typically a non- effects laden motion picture for domestic theatrical release has a three month shooting schedule and then a six month post and marketing cycle. However, there may be literally years between the shooting and marketing / release period. This is all based on focus groups and market surveys to try and release a film at its most strategic time.
As far as the shooting and editing, the honest truth is, this time line has far less to do with the technology involved, and much more to do with the schedules of the stars and producing / directing talent involved.
Here's an example....
The first Star Wars movies staring in 1977 were released in three year intervals using all practical effects and some potical compositing. The new movies are shot completely digitally, and principal photography takes about three months. But the post is so long and involved they are still taking three year intervals.
If you could tell me what you want to know, such as filmed television program, sitcom three camera television program, animated program, animated feature, film feature, summer blockbuster, documentary, etc, I could provide some real life averages.
Andonyx said:
You would have to be more specific INRM, I work in TV and (some) Film production, and just estimating time is an entire industry in itself. When a script comes into a studio it MUST be in a certain format to even be read by a studio aid. This format usually equates to one minute per page. If it's not in that format it will immediately be thrown away.
Then studios count the number of each kind of shot, interior, exterior, effects, etc etc. This is how they determine time and budget.
Typically a non- effects laden motion picture for domestic theatrical release has a three month shooting schedule and then a six month post and marketing cycle. However, there may be literally years between the shooting and marketing / release period. This is all based on focus groups and market surveys to try and release a film at its most strategic time.
As far as the shooting and editing, the honest truth is, this time line has far less to do with the technology involved, and much more to do with the schedules of the stars and producing / directing talent involved.
Here's an example....
The first Star Wars movies staring in 1977 were released in three year intervals using all practical effects and some potical compositing. The new movies are shot completely digitally, and principal photography takes about three months. But the post is so long and involved they are still taking three year intervals.
If you could tell me what you want to know, such as filmed television program, sitcom three camera television program, animated program, animated feature, film feature, summer blockbuster, documentary, etc, I could provide some real life averages.
I mean...
Like TV Broadcasting... like a news-bulletin like CBS.
How fast do they edit film they receive from camera-crews?
-INRM
INRM said:
I mean...
Like TV Broadcasting... like a news-bulletin like CBS.
How fast do they edit film they receive from camera-crews?
-INRM
Okay, TV News, or live programs are edited extraordinarily fast. News crews use a product called Edit-Star in addition to a standard Avid. Edit star can also link certain types of content and key words in raw media files so they can pulled and the relevant parts digitized much faster than say commercial or film editing.
KTLA has recently introduced a kind of Huge Betacam Tape jukebox. I don't know which specific brands they use, but their media server can rack and have ready any footage on any number of thousands of stock and past footage Betas in minutes, This of course is faster than having the intern go into the masive tape library and pull relevant footage.
As for a news update. That's often shot live from the studio. They break in on the affiliate, and the anchor just reads copy. The graphics are stored in the computer and a director switches form camera, to camera, to graphic, to black live in 30 seconds and then they're out.
As for the taped footage like special features or special interest stories. Those are usually shot, logged, edited, and packaged in six hours or less. Like say producer wants to do a package on the birth of a penguin at a zoo. They would show up at 6:00am at the zoo. Set up for maybe 45 mins. Shoot A-roll, or main program footage for 30 mins. Shoot B-roll, or miscellaneous cut-away footage for another 30-45 mins. Microwave that footage back to
the studio. Then while the producer is returning to the studio, an editor is already logging the footage and digitizing. Edit for 2 hours, and print to tape. That tape is called a package, and it's ready for the news at noon.
Of Course the majority of a 30 or 60 minutes network news program is done live, including on the scene footage which is either microwaved to the studio, or if it's far away and important enough, satellite fed.
Another great example is the sports packages.
The sportscaster watches the game at say noon. Takes notes, decides of all 5 or six games in all sports played that day, plus press conferences, and other sports related news what he wants to hit on, and writes a general outline of his program, say 3-6 minutes. Then he pulls footage from each game which is freshly logged since most of it was shot that day. And edits together a highlight reel to back his copy. If the games end at four and he's on at 6, the whole package gets edited and ready for air in two hours. Now granted these tapes usually don't have the same polish in terms of graphics and timing, and no narration recorded like the above news story, but they still get done damn fast.
You'll often notice that because of last minute changes in copy or developing news, the copy doesn't always match the timing on the tape, and sometimes you'll see the sports anchor getting ahead or behind the tape.
The sportscaster watches the game at say noon. Takes notes, decides of all 5 or six games in all sports played that day, plus press conferences, and other sports related news what he wants to hit on, and writes a general outline of his program, say 3-6 minutes. Then he pulls footage from each game which is freshly logged since most of it was shot that day. And edits together a highlight reel to back his copy. If the games end at four and he's on at 6, the whole package gets edited and ready for air in two hours. Now granted these tapes usually don't have the same polish in terms of graphics and timing, and no narration recorded like the above news story, but they still get done damn fast.
You'll often notice that because of last minute changes in copy or developing news, the copy doesn't always match the timing on the tape, and sometimes you'll see the sports anchor getting ahead or behind the tape.
Ahhhhhhhhhh finally a question that I’m an expert at.
To edit video the rule of thumb used to be: 1min= 2 to 3 hours of editing.
( that would be a static shot+ cutaways+ B roll+ simple title)
That does no include actual taping of footage.
Today with non linear editing (NLE) you can cut the edit time by as much as 60 percent.
But the truth is, the total production time has increased by about 20 percent because the added step of inputting it into the computer.
To edit video the rule of thumb used to be: 1min= 2 to 3 hours of editing.
( that would be a static shot+ cutaways+ B roll+ simple title)
That does no include actual taping of footage.
Today with non linear editing (NLE) you can cut the edit time by as much as 60 percent.
But the truth is, the total production time has increased by about 20 percent because the added step of inputting it into the computer.