geni
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I found wim.
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Anders W. Bonde
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logical muse
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I don't know who this Wim is, but I had a look over at that forum.
There are threads there of people with ailments, asking for homoeopathetic remedies. Response to treatments seems to range from "I feel much better now" to "I'm getting worse". I paraphrase, and my bold.
The people who get worse are at fault for not stopping treatment when told, or otherwise not following instructions.
Despite treatments not working, people seem genuinely grateful to Mr. Wim.
On TV last night there was a show about recycled sewage water for drinking. Maybe with one or two parts per million of poo this water would make a good homoeopathetic cure for sprouting crap?
There are threads there of people with ailments, asking for homoeopathetic remedies. Response to treatments seems to range from "I feel much better now" to "I'm getting worse". I paraphrase, and my bold.
The people who get worse are at fault for not stopping treatment when told, or otherwise not following instructions.
Despite treatments not working, people seem genuinely grateful to Mr. Wim.
On TV last night there was a show about recycled sewage water for drinking. Maybe with one or two parts per million of poo this water would make a good homoeopathetic cure for sprouting crap?
Looks like it is another one created by our friends from Pakistan.
And with "fair use" in mind:
A look at one of the posted complaints and request for a treatment:
Now considering that we are often taken to task about how homeopaths only ever treat the whole patient that it is not a matter of treating a symptom, that a homeopathic treatment can only ever be "prescribed" after a lengthy and thorough consultation you would expect the homeopaths on their forum to mention all this and explain why they couldn't possibly recommend a treatment...
From Wim P
So no hesitation in making a diagnosis and prescribing a remedy based on a single forum post. Also note the fantastic "3-4 times a day till improvement"!
And there is more:
So lets try something else as well and at the same time, something is bound to work...
But hey they don’t all agree:
What I find amazing is not even that they seemingly contradict one another but the fact that his own instructions contradict what he says "for three to four consective days" and "You ll be fine in two days"...
It gets better mind you, because this homeopath recommends a real medical treatment as well:
I am not surprised that the Pakistan press are very concerned about the proliferation of (in their words) these quacks and how they fraud their so called patients.
A look at one of the posted complaints and request for a treatment:
Now considering that we are often taken to task about how homeopaths only ever treat the whole patient that it is not a matter of treating a symptom, that a homeopathic treatment can only ever be "prescribed" after a lengthy and thorough consultation you would expect the homeopaths on their forum to mention all this and explain why they couldn't possibly recommend a treatment...
From Wim P
So no hesitation in making a diagnosis and prescribing a remedy based on a single forum post. Also note the fantastic "3-4 times a day till improvement"!
And there is more:
So lets try something else as well and at the same time, something is bound to work...
But hey they don’t all agree:
What I find amazing is not even that they seemingly contradict one another but the fact that his own instructions contradict what he says "for three to four consective days" and "You ll be fine in two days"...
It gets better mind you, because this homeopath recommends a real medical treatment as well:
I am not surprised that the Pakistan press are very concerned about the proliferation of (in their words) these quacks and how they fraud their so called patients.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
Let me guess: if they get worse the homoeopaths call it an "aggravation" and claim that the remedy is working?
Hans - I think that is quite unfair, if it was just chance occasionally they'd be prescribing something that actually could do what they say it can!
MRC_Hans
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Yeah, I know, I'm always unfair to homeopaths. Asking them to prove their claims and other obscenities. Heheh, I registered at that BB and made one innocent (if somewhat sarcastic) post in the ChitChat forum, and our Wim promptly deleted it, informing me that skeptics are not allowed to post. I can still log in, tho'.
This would be the time to register a sock, but I don't think I'll bother.
Hans
This would be the time to register a sock, but I don't think I'll bother.
Hans
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I have. They seem, like Hpathy, to have any requirement to provide a valid e-mail address, which makes it quicker.
Rolfe
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Wim's forever throwing out remedies at random. Did it on Hpathy, same here.
You know, I did that same ankle injury in May. About 3pm. And I had to get up and drive 250 miles 3 hours later.
I did it. No homoeopathy invloved.
I fell off my bike about 3 yards from a doctor (my cycling companion). She told me to keep my shoe on till we got back to her house, then immediately treated it with ice compresses for half an hour, then strapped it firmly in a crepe bandage. And I took some paracetamol. I was able to put my shoe back on over the bandage, and with a bit of shifting around, succeeded in accomplishing the 4 hour drive.
My ankle never actually swelled at all. I kept it strapped up and used a walking stick, and although it did take 6-8 weeks to full recovery, I never had to stop driving and wasn't forced to change my schedule at all because of the injury. I was amazed how much difference it made having a real doctor telling me what to do with it from the minute it happened (compared to lots of other times I'd had similar injuries as a child, and not presented for medical care until my foot was swollen like a balloon).
The advice was simple. It's probably in first aid books for anyone who's interested. But the homs can't even manage that, just take a sugar pill, no take a different sugar pill and so on.
One track minds.
Rolfe.
You know, I did that same ankle injury in May. About 3pm. And I had to get up and drive 250 miles 3 hours later.
I did it. No homoeopathy invloved.
I fell off my bike about 3 yards from a doctor (my cycling companion). She told me to keep my shoe on till we got back to her house, then immediately treated it with ice compresses for half an hour, then strapped it firmly in a crepe bandage. And I took some paracetamol. I was able to put my shoe back on over the bandage, and with a bit of shifting around, succeeded in accomplishing the 4 hour drive.
My ankle never actually swelled at all. I kept it strapped up and used a walking stick, and although it did take 6-8 weeks to full recovery, I never had to stop driving and wasn't forced to change my schedule at all because of the injury. I was amazed how much difference it made having a real doctor telling me what to do with it from the minute it happened (compared to lots of other times I'd had similar injuries as a child, and not presented for medical care until my foot was swollen like a balloon).
The advice was simple. It's probably in first aid books for anyone who's interested. But the homs can't even manage that, just take a sugar pill, no take a different sugar pill and so on.
One track minds.
Rolfe.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Good grief, I just read the thread about the cat with FIP and Wim actually gave correct advice (that the disease is fatal and untreatable). When did he fit in the vet course since we last saw him? (Or has he just got the nous to recognise that it's not good tactics to claim you can help for a disease with a guaranteed fatal outcome?)
Rolfe.
Rolfe.