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Hunter Biden Gun Trial

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Federal judge refuses to postpone Hunter Biden’s June 3 trial in gun case
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/hunter-biden-no-trial-delay/index.html
Hunter Biden’s lawyer Abbe Lowell argued the defense team would not be able to accomplish all that needs to be done in under three weeks. Lowell also pointed to the work needed to prepare for his client’s other trial set for late June in California, where he is facing a federal tax indictment.

“It cannot be done in two weeks, it just cannot,” Lowell said, adding later, “I am pleading with your honor” to allow for more time.

Noreika responded: “You said you were available in June.”

“I don’t need to be your scheduling secretary,” Noreika said, telling Lowell to work out new filing deadlines with the prosecution ahead of the trial date.

Prosecutors claim Hunter Biden illegally purchased and possessed a revolver in 2018, which violated federal law because he was using illicit drugs at the time. He has pleaded not guilty to all three felony counts.
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Perhaps this trial will help change the attitude towards prosecuting those who lie to buy guns from FFL's?

Ranb


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It's only a crime when Democrats do it.

Given that Hunter bought the gun to shoot himself, I'm surprised that right-wingers make such a fuss about it.
 
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Poor Hunter. Prosecuted for no other reason than that he's the president's son. Such an unfortunate burden. :rolleyes:

(His lawyer actually had the gall to make that argument.)
Hunter Biden’s attorney, Abbe Lowell, said in a statement that “based on the facts and the law, if Hunter’s last name was anything other than Biden, the charges in Delaware, and now California, would not have been brought.”
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It's not gall, it's a fact: no one gets charged under this law as a standalone offense.

And Selective Prosecution is a legitimate defense argument.
 
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Ranb said:
Federal judge refuses to postpone Hunter Biden’s June 3 trial in gun case
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/hunter-biden-no-trial-delay/index.html

Perhaps this trial will help change the attitude towards prosecuting those who lie to buy guns from FFL's?

Ranb
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Please that won't happen, I mean if it did they would have charged the guy who straw purchased the gun for Kyle Rittenhouse. It is only ever going to be politically motivated charges that get pressed.
 
https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/few-prosecutions-for-lying-on-atf-gun-purchase-form
Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. For being a user of unlawful drugs in possession of a firearm, the punishment is up to five years. The odds of being charged for lying on the form are virtually nonexistent. In the 2019 fiscal year, when Hunter Biden purchased his gun, federal prosecutors received 478 referrals for lying on Form 4473 — and filed just 298 cases.
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A 1990 Justice Department study noted how difficult it was to bring cases against people who falsely answer questions on the form, especially because there is no paper trail for drug abusers like there is for felons.
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https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ipotfipf-fs.pdf

It is never too late to decide to enforce the laws, even gun control laws.
 
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It isn't a standalone offense. He is charged with 9 different crimes.
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the gun case has no connection to the tax case.

He’s charged in the Delaware case with two counts of making false statements, first for checking a box falsely saying he was not addicted to drugs and second for giving it to the shop for its federally required records. A third count alleges he possessed the gun for about 11 days despite knowing he was a drug user.
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So at most 3 counts, 2 of which are duplicative and both constitute selective prosecution.
And the 3rd is one that probably half of all people on painkillers are guilty of.

I have no problem with throwing the book at Hunter - politicians and their families are fair game.
But it's ridiculous that after years of investigation this is supposed to an offence we should care about.
 
Ranb said:
https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/few-prosecutions-for-lying-on-atf-gun-purchase-form

Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. For being a user of unlawful drugs in possession of a firearm, the punishment is up to five years. The odds of being charged for lying on the form are virtually nonexistent. In the 2019 fiscal year, when Hunter Biden purchased his gun, federal prosecutors received 478 referrals for lying on Form 4473 — and filed just 298 cases.
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https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ipotfipf-fs.pdf

It is never too late to decide to enforce the laws, even gun control laws.
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I must be missing something. The article claims that the odds of being charged are virtually nonexistent... but then goes on to tell us that over 60% of the referrals proceeded to cases? Perhaps they intended to say that the odds of being found guilty are very low, and that only a very tiny number of those 60% actually resulted in a guilty finding?
 
My post was a response to the claim, "no one gets charged under this law as a standalone offense". Some people are being charged.
 
Also, as far as being "difficult to prosecute" because "there is no paper trail for drug abusers", that's because most drug abusers don't write a book about their drug abuse.

I'm guessing that Exhibit 1 for the prosecution will be Hunter's book.
 
Hunter Biden tries again to delay gun trial two weeks before start date
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/20/politics/hunter-biden-gun-trial/index.html
Hunter Biden is once again trying to delay his fast-approaching trial on felony gun charges, which is scheduled to begin in two weeks.

The president’s son has already tried – and failed – to postpone the proceedings, which are expected to kick off June 3 at the federal courthouse in Wilmington, Delaware.

His lawyers on Monday asked a federal appeals court to rehear his bid to throw out the indictment. A three-judge panel unanimously rejected his appeal earlier this month, but he’s now asking for the full 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals to review the case.

Biden’s legal team also asked the 3rd Circuit to pause any trial proceedings while it considers his new appeal petitions.

“There is no urgency in having an immediate trial of Robert Hunter Biden, but the district court is pressing forward with a June 3, 2024 trial and imposing all the pretrial burdens that come with that,” his lawyers wrote in the filing.
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Emily's Cat said:
I must be missing something. The article claims that the odds of being charged are virtually nonexistent... but then goes on to tell us that over 60% of the referrals proceeded to cases? Perhaps they intended to say that the odds of being found guilty are very low, and that only a very tiny number of those 60% actually resulted in a guilty finding?
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I assumed it meant that most of the situations where there are problems with gun application permits, there just aren't referrals done it all. (Maybe the police think "not important enough to prosecute" so they look the other way and don't even mention it to the District Attorney.)
 
i guess we'll find out the details in the trial, but to me it seems a little monstrous to go after what appears to be a recovered addict who was suicidal and bought a gun while they were using just for political purposes. but that's just me. maybe we do need to make an example out of him.
 
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